Starting on page 173, Harper Lee writes about how the effect of different families interact with the 'mood' of the town. Aunt Alexandria comes to town to stay with the Finch's "for a while" and she reflects on how a family name effects who you are. In comparison to today I believe this is still true. Although who you are matters more than who your family is, you can still be treated differently because of family. For example, the child of a town drunk will be treated like trash because their parent ruins the family name but, if that same child were from a family line of royalty they would be treated as if the whole universe centers around them. In the novel, Aunt Alexandria stays at the Finch's to teach Scout and Jem about how representing your family name is more important than anything else.
I agree with you, Max. Your family heritage is very important when it comes to how people perceive you. In Scout and Jem's case they are learning to become respectful adults. Aunt Alexandra and Atticus want to teach them to follow in the footsteps of their ancestors. It really makes you notice how much your parents and your family has done to make you the best person you can be.
I agree to this statement. Since Aunt Alexandra has come to stay with Atticus and the kids she's forcing Atticus to change Jem and Scouts behavior. Scout doesn't know where to turn and feels lost like you said. But in that sense, Scout turns to Atticus for comfort and to really get to know what is happening and what is going to change.
I agree with you, Max. Even though not as many people judge others based on the actions of their relatives nowadays as much as they used to during the Great Depression, there are still many who do. It's quite sad, yet quite hard to fix.
I like your point about the status of your families. I still agree that no matter who you are today, your "class" can depend on the reputation of the family that you come from. Also I like your point on who you are matters more than your family name. Great job!
“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not from run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of several generations’ gentle breeding--”
Atticus paused, watching me locate an elusive red bug on my leg
“Gentle breeding,” he continued, when I had found and scratched it, “and that you should try to live up to your name--” Atticus persevered in spite of us: “She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentleman that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly,” he concluded at a gallop. Bottom of page 177, top of page 178.
In this scene, Atticus explains to Jem and Scout that they are the product of several generations of gentle breeding, not average or ordinary people. Furthermore, Jem and Scout need to prove to Atticus and Aunt Alexandra that they can act according.
I strongly agree with what Aunt Alexandra tells Atticus to say to the children. Personally, I have been to many friends houses, where the kids try to act cool in front of their friends. By doing this, it may embarrass, or insult the parents, because it does not reflect the way the they raised their children. An example is when the the child calls the parents by their first name, asks for things without saying please, and receive things without saying thank you. In many of these cases, the parents would later pull the child aside, and have a serious conversation with them, similar to what Atticus did with his children.
The theme that connects to this scene is the importance of home and family. Whether you have friends over, or being introduced to a family new member, it is a childs duty the give their family members the utmost respect that they deserve. In To Kill A Mockingbird, Jem and Scout may not like Aunt Alexandra, but, she has good advice to offer that may help them in future situations.
I also agree with Alexandria's point of view. It is important to make your family name have a good reputation. If a young kid became one of the most wealthy people in the world, it would make the family name very decisive from others in a good way. However, if that same individual became a notorious warlord, it would not only disgrace his memory but the memory of his family too.
Javen, I completely agree with you. I believe that children have been gradually getting worse and worse to their parents throughout the years, but to disagree with you respectively, I would have to say that part of the reason that the kids show a lack of discipline or respect towards their parents is due to the parents being weak or spoiling their children. Granted, there are many parents that are very good to their children, there are also many that don't discipline their kids enough, resulting in disrespect towards the parents from the children, especially since there's so much new technology.
Javen, I agree and I can completely relate to your text-to-self connection. Just like you, I have seen friends acting in a way to parents and or guardians that is contradicting to the morals and values that they have been taught. I think that is a great connection to the world today.
I agree with everyone above. Kids today are not taught the same how to respect adults as they used to. I have witnessed many occasions where kids completely disrespect there parents or even other adults. Some kids just care about technology and when the parent tries to take there device away there becomes a big conflict and can sometimes end up with a meltdown. I think that our society needs to change. Like Sonny said there are many respectful kids but I think that there are too many incidents happening with kids disrespecting there parents and even other adults.
“She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentlemen that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly.” He concluded at a gallop. Bottom of page 177 to the top of page 178.
In this scene Atticus is reporting a message that Aunt Alexandra has for Scout and Jem. Atticus is saying that Scout and Jem should learn the type of people that they come from. The Finch family is very respectful and both Jem and Scout should learn to act like that and behave respectfully.
I agree with the point of view of Atticus and Aunt Alexandra. They are trying to raise both Scout and Jem to their full potential. Atticus and Aunt Alexandria take pride in their ancestry and want Scout and Jem to live up to that. The only way to do that is to teach them to be respectful and have good behavior. This is very similar to my life and my relationship with my parents. They want to see me grow up and be very respectful and a good person. So from time to time they would sit down with me and teach me lessons just like Atticus and Aunt Alexandra would do.
This scene in chapter 13 has a lot to do with the theme of the importance of home and family. Atticus and Aunt Alexandra want whats best for Scout and Jem and they want to see them grow up to be a well behaved adults. Both Aunt Alexandra and Atticus know that their family and ancestors were very respectful people and they want to see Scout and Jem follow in their footsteps. Scout may see Aunt Alexandra as mean but that is only because she doesn't see that Aunt Alexandra just wants to raise her to be a well behaved young lady. So family is becoming very important to Scout and Jem and as they are growing older because Atticus and Aunt Alexandra are trying to shape them to be wonderful young adults.
Hi, I agree with the fact that both Jem and Scout have to grow up and represent the family, but Atticus and Aunt Alexandra can't force the children to be a certain way or to pretend to be perfect, because they'll both want to break out and be their own person. It's one thing for Aunt Alexandra to try to push Scout in the right direction, but she shouldn't force her to speak with some ladies that she doesn't even know.
“There was nowhere to go, but I turned to go and met Atticus’s vest front… When I heard that, I knew he had come back to us.” Page 178.
In this scene, Atticus tells Jem and Scout that they are Finches and should start acting like it. However, Scout knows that those aren’t the words of her father and that Aunt Alexandra forced Atticus to say it. Scout feels lost and doesn’t know who to turn to, but Atticus is there for her.
Similar to my own family, whenever one of us has a problem we will always have someone to turn to. Just like how Scout had Atticus to turn to when she thought she didn’t. Families will always fight and make mistakes, but if it is a strong family, they will always make up and become closer because of it.
The theme that connects to this scene is the importance of home and family. Even with Aunt Alexandra in the picture, making life a struggle for Scout, she still has her father, Atticus, to turn to. As Atticus has shown throughout the whole book, he is a great father and role model for Scout and Jem. I hope that Aunt Alexandra won’t corrupt and change Atticus’s morale beliefs.
I agree with you, Sam. Atticus is always there for Scout when she needs it. While Scout may think he has other things on his mind or he has many flaws, she sometimes forgets to appreciate how much he cares for her. Hopefully Atticus stays the same even with Aunt Alexandra's different opinions on how Scout and Jem are being raised.
I am strongly supportive of the position that Sam took in this scene. Both Jem and Scout have a shoulder to cry on when they know they have made a mistake, or feel guilty for something they have done. Calpurnia, and Atticus may come down hard on the kids, but they both do a wonderful job of providing the necessary support and love in order to build them back up.
I agree with you. Atticus would do anything for his children and loves them unconditionally. People may disagree and say he is too tough on the kids but, he does it out of love.
I agree with you Sam. Atticus has been a great father to Scout and Jem, and Alexandra hasn't been the most supportive, however, I think that Alexandra is correct in the sense that Scout and Jem should take pride in their name, and try not to make a bad impression, but at the same time, they shouldn't have to focus on what other people think about them, and that's what Alexandra is suggesting.
I strongly agree with all of the comments above. Atticus is an amazing father and always makes the best decisions for Scout and Jem. The children may think that he and Calpurnia are hard on them, but in the end they know that these two adults will always be there for them.
I strongly agree with your viewpoint Sam. Scout and Jem know that Atticus is an amazing father, and that the only reason him and Calpurnia may be hard on them sometimes, it is only to make them better. It is upsetting to me that Aunt Alexandria would put words into Atticus's mouth like that, it would deeply upset me if I where in Scout's shoes.
“She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentleman that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly,” he concluded at a gallop. Page 177 and 178.
In this scene Atticus is telling Jem and Scout that should learn about their families past and who they are and what they have done for Maycomb County. The Finch family has done a lot for Maycomb and Jem and Scout should learn from them so they can do what they have done, in the future.
I strongly agree with Atticus’ and Aunt Alexandra’s points of view. They are trying to show Jem and Scout what they can achieve and what they can become. They are trying to show that being respectful and kind can get you anywhere. This is just like what my parents are trying to teach me, that I should be polite and respectful and to try to make friends with everyone I can and to always have manners. They want me to be the best man I can be and that is why, sometimes the teach me lessons about life, kind of like Atticus and Aunt Alexandra are doing with Jem and Scout in this scene.
This scene has to do with the importance of home and family, which is a big theme in this book. Atticus and Aunt Alexandra are trying to show how important their family is and how they can learn from them. They are trying to get Jem and Scout to be just as respectful and kind as their past family. Scout may think that Aunt Alexandra is just mean but maybe Aunt Alexandra is just trying to raise Scout to be like her.
I agree with you Tyler V. Jem and Scout are intelligent human beings, but sometimes there behavior can be inappropriate. If they are able to improve this aspect, they will prove to people how well they have been brought up in their home, rather than being seen as the dead beats of the generation. More importantly, they will give fellow family members the respect that they deserve.
“ We decided that it would be best for you you to have some feminine influence. It won’t be many years, Jean Louis, before you become interested in clothes and boys---”. Top of pg 170
In chapter thirteen Jem and Scout find a huge surprise sitting in the rocking chair on their porch. Aunt Alexandra explains to the kids how she’d be staying with them for a while. She said that they needed a feminine influence, not just a fatherly influence. This surprise caught both kids off guard. Now, the kids would have to practice manners, behave, and worst of all, Scout would have to be ladylike.
Through out the book Scout likes being a tomboy, and doesn’t exactIy act like she should. She grew up around all boys, and was the only girl. Because of this, she acts like a tomboy. She plays in mud, gets into trouble, likes guns, and is very adventurous . But she has the sense to behave in times that require behaving. But, I would assume that she misses her mother. Although she didn’t really get a chance to get to know her or see what she was like. Jem remembered her, but followed Atticus’ rules. Scout and Jem only saw Atticus’ parenting style. Their mom could have been the yin to Atticus’ yang. He would have been the tightly wound at times, strict, but loving father (he still is). Their mother could have been the soft spoken, wise, polite, fun and adventurous mother. Even though Scout doesn’t sense that she needs a mother, if she had known her mother, she would of helped shape Scout as a whole.
Atticus and Aunt Alexandra thought that it was the right thing to do to make the kids aunt stay with them. Atticus thought it was important for them to become more proper and for Scout to become more lady like. I also sensed that Scout needed a motherly influence. Atticus and Aunt Alexandra believe that family is important. Because of this belief Aunt Alexandra will be the motherly influence needed in the Finch household. her presence will probably shape Scout into a young lady.
I agree that Scout seems to need a motherly influence to help her understand who she is. However, I am wondering how much of that influence was attained through Calpurnia's presence. I think Calpurnia has been a great "mother" for Scout even if she hasn't given Scout everything a mother could have.
Sarah and Abby I agree with both of you. I think that Scout is very independent and doesn't always need a mother figure, but when she does need one Calpurnia was there for her. Aunt Alexandra can be a little pushy and get mad at Scout for her personality and being more of a tomboy.
I agree with Abby. I am very curious how much of an influence Scout is getting from the women in her life. I believe she can look up to Calpurnia as a mother because she has always been there for her and has taught her important lessons that mothers teach their daughters. However, other than Calpurnia, I'm not too sure who she can look up to in life. She has a lot of women in the community that she can look up to like Miss Maudie but she also has people like Stephanie Crawford who I believe wouldn't be the best influence on her.
I disagree you Rory. In this case, Aunt Alexandra is correct. Although, they are just kids, and acting lady and gentleman like might be a stretch, it does not excuse them from acting just around family members. By acting like this, it would not change who they are, it would simply educate them on how behave in certain situations.
“‘Stop that noise,’ Atticus said. His curtness stung me. The comb was midway in its journey, and I banged it down. For no reason I felt myself beginning to cry, but I could not stop. This was not my father. My father never thought these thoughts. My father never spoke so. Aunt Alexandra had put him up to this, somehow. Through my tears I saw Jem standing in a similar pool of isolation, his head cocked to one side.” p178 ch13
Atticus is being forced into telling Jem and Scout to act like a lady and a gentleman, which is very unlike him. Aunt Alexandra is staying with the Finches and is trying to change who Scout is, through Atticus.
I think that Aunt Alexandra is the kind of person who needs everything to be her way, and will do anything to get it. How could Alexandra think she is doing the right thing? I wonder. Changing someone based on what you want is an extremely selfish thing to do and I find it troubling that Atticus does not stop her. Unfortunately, selfishness is abundant in today’s society. Unchecked selfishness goes on all the time in our world today. People do unkind acts for their own gain almost every day. I read an interesting article recently about how some people are naturally inclined to work for themselves and not care for others.
This scene connects to the theme of the importance of home and family in To Kill a Mockingbird. Aunt Alexandra is creating a rift between Atticus, Jem, and Scout through her acts of selfishness. Family is the most important thing in the world and Atticus knows that. Jem, Scout, and Atticus are a close family who should not be shaken by Alexandra.
I don't think Alexandra is being selfish at all. On the contrary, I believe she is looking out for Scout just as much as she's trying to preserve the family name. She simply wants Scout to grow up to be what Alexandra deems to be "right." On the other hand, she could also be doing it solely for selfish reasons too...
I agree!!! I finally found someone who agrees with me. Aunt Alexandra isn't looking out for Scout or Jem. She's simply looking out for the family's name. Yes, she wants to preserve the family name, Abby, but her way of doing so is completely wrong. Scout and Jem should be free thinkers, according to Atticus. This may be a risky move, but the only possibility for change to occur is when people take risks and think out of the box. Atticus is the one truly looking out for his children.
I do not agree with Aunt Alexandra's actions. I feel she had no right stepping into another family's business based on her personally beliefs. I think she had good intentions but she made her self look like the bad guy.
I agree with Rory and Maria because it does really seem that Aunt Alexandra is just looking out for their family name and not for Scout and Jem. Aunt Alexandra does seem to be very selfish in this scene. However, I also see where Abby is coming from because Aunt Alexandra may be looking out for Scout by helping her grow up in the right or normal way of that time.
“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of generations’ gentle breeding-” Chapter 13 Page 177
In this quote from the book, Atticus is speaking to Jem and Scout and he is explaining to them that the Finch family has made their name known throughout several generations, and that they aren’t just ordinary people. Aunt Alexandra has come to visit their family, and she is very unimpressed by how little Jem and Scout know about their family heritage. She asked Atticus to tell his kids about the family’s history so they will understand that they need to preserve and protect the Finch name.
Similarly to how Atticus and Aunt Alexandra try to teach Jem and Scout about their family, my parents taught me about my family history. They wanted me to learn all about my ancestry. I agree with Atticus and Aunt Alexandra because taking pride in family history is very important and I think it applies to everyone. I know personally, my parent’s and grandparent’s experiences have helped to shape me as a person. They defined and strengthened my morals and values.
This scene has to do with the importance of home and family. Atticus and Alexandra find it necessary to have Jem and Scout learn more about their family’s past. The kids know very little regarding this topic, despite the fact that is such a vital thing to know about. I think that by learning about your family’s past, it can help you to better understand aspects of your life today.
I see your point that one should take pride in their family history, but I disagree with the fact that you should be obligated to preserve/protect your name. I believe that one shouldn't feel pressured to live up to the expectations of their ancestors and shouldn't be looked down upon for having their own unique ambitions in life.
Atticus recites Aunt Alexandra’s mantra here to Jem and Scout telling them that, in an essence, they are embarrassing the family name. Later, after making Scout cry and hurting Jem’s feelings, Atticus realizes how this goes against his teachings and comforts them saying they can be whoever they want to be.
I’m surprised that Atticus is so influenced by his sister, Aunt Alexandra, that his own views on manners and reputation are distorted. It does not seem like Atticus at all to tell his children to become people they’re not. Generally, Atticus values the individual and what they bring forth without people telling them who to be. This is why he allows Scout to act like a boy if she wishes. Atticus believes that by subduing to the outside influences of other’s wishes, a person gives up their real talents. They give up talents that nobody can tell them to have. Accordingly, he believes that by going against what people tell one to do, and by following one’s dreams, one will show true courage and will be rewarded for it. (Pg. 177, Paragraph 10)
I agree with your blog, but I believe that it isn't that Atticus' views of his children are distorted because of Alexandra. I believe that Alexandra is forcing Atticus to say these things in the hope that Scout and Jem will change their ways. Although Alexandra might not confront Atticus, she definitely is manipulating him to say these things to his children. You are 100% correct, this just isn't like Atticus
I agree with you Abby to some extent- Atticus respects his sister, so he trusts her word in the matter, however, Alexandra seems to be a little bit manipulative and I am not surprised that she had convinced Atticus to go against his beliefs towards his kids. I am not surprised that he made a redemption to them either.
I agree with your views Sonny. I think that as most people do Atticus respects his sister and believes she wants what she believes to be best for his family. However, her methods of doing this do appear to be manipulative. It is interesting how Atticus is behaving differently from how he has been acting in the past.
I feel as though Atticus is blinded by the fact that Alexandra is his sister. Alexandra is manipulating him into doing her bidding and he is not contradicting her only because she is his sister.
“...the longer a family had been squatting on one patch of land the finer it was.”
This is Aunt Alexandra’s opinion on what makes a respectable family.
Aunt Alexandra grows up in Alabama where farming has been the predominant form of occupation for an incredibly long time. When farming, the land is used many times in a row. This gave way, in part, to the reasoning that families should live on the same land generation after generation. Aunt Alexandra values this proposition as shown when she decides to reside on Finch’s Landing even after her two brothers moved away from it to find better jobs. Since she still lives there, she considers herself to be better than anybody who does not own their ancestors land. This kind of thinking and set of values is much different than what we believe today in the North of the country because we don’t farm here anymore. Atticus and Jack don’t agree with her either because they have moved from Finch’s Landing as well. This also shows the importance of the home to people in Maycomb County. They believe that the home is more important than food, even, in some circumstances. For example, Walter Cunningham doesn’t work for the WPA because he doesn’t want to abandon his land. Consequently, his family becomes very poor and barely has enough food to eat. Alexandra and many people in Maycomb, therefore, believe the home to be unquestionably the most important thing they own. People who don’t value the home may be looked down upon by those who do, as shown by Aunt Alexandra’s behavior. (Pg. 173, Paragraph 3)
“Gentle breeding,” he continued, when I had found and scratched it, “and that you should try to live up to your name--” Atticus persevered in spite of us: “She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentleman that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly,” he concluded at a gallop. Pg. 177-178
In this scene, Atticus shares Aunt Alexandra’s thoughts to Jem and Scout on how they should behave as Finch children. Aunt Alexandra, Atticus’ sister, believes the children should live up to the family name and carry it out for many generations.
I strongly disagree with Aunt Alexandra. She is stuck in the old, southern way of thinking and doesn’t realize that the only way for our country to move forward from the great injustice of racism is to raise children who think differently from their ancestors. Atticus recognizes this, for he thinks much differently than his sister does. He wants his children to be free thinkers and to be themselves. My parents always remind me on how I’m very unique and how I think differently from them. They don’t expect me to think like them or to do the same things they do. They say it in a positive way because they understand making me someone who I’m not is not going to make me happy and may squash any possibility for me to make my own contribution or mark on this world.
The theme that connects to this scene is the importance of home and family. It’s important to be individualistic. It’s very unhealthy for history to repeat itself, especially during this time period. If Scout and Jem act appropriately in Aunt Alexandra’s perspective, they won’t be able to express their thoughts or opinions on anything. This is seen when Atticus is feeling pressure from his sister to make his children conform to the Finch’s ideology.
“She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Macomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly.” pg. 177-178
In this scene, Atticus is talking to Jem and Scout about Aunt Alexandra’s thoughts. Atticus is acting in a different way just because his sister is worried about what others could say about Jem and Scout’s behavior or little things like Atticus is letting them drink soda. First Atticus had Alexandra’s thoughts, even though she is his sister, Atticus doesn’t have the same point of view. Then he is reflecting about his attitude towards the children.
In comparison to today, some parents have certain care about their children’s behavior but do not let the rest of the family judge their thoughts or rules. For example in my family only my parents decide about my rules and behavior as same as my sisters. Despite my grand parents, aunts, and uncles don’t agree with my parents decision, my family have to respect what they say to me.
The theme that connect to this scene is the importance of home and family. Atticus is between a rock and a hard place. For one side, Jem and Scout are so important to him. Atticus doesn’t want them to distrust or hate him because of the way he is acting thanks to Aunt Alexandra thoughts. For the other side, Alexandra is his sister and Atticus either wants her to thinks that he doesn’t care about she says or feels uncomfortable at home.
Aunt Alexandra seems to be more focused on the family name and how the rest of Maycomb County sees their family. She's pressuring Atticus to use new rules on his kids and make the whole family look picture perfect.
I believe that Aunt Alexandra is simply to focused on unimportant things like a family's reputation. Atticus should not need to change his views on how he is raising his children because his sister does not want to tarnish the family name. I think that Atticus should focus on what is more important which is raising his children rather than focusing too much on what Aunt Alexandra thinks is correct behavior.
I feel that Alexandra has truly gotten comfortable very fast in a short amount of time , and this is because she feels as if it is okay to tell Atticus the " Right way " of teaching the kids . But in reality it's only because she doesn't want to be a disappointment to the family name.
“...Son, you know you’re a Finch, don’t you?” Chapter 13 page 177
In this conversation, Atticus is speaking to Jem and questioning him about his behavior lately. Atticus is letting Jem know that he cannot act rude or disrespectful because he is a Finch. The way that Jem acts is the way people will think he was raised so, if he acts disrespectful, it reflects on his whole family.
I agree and I also disagree. I agree with what Aunt Alexandra told Atticus to tell his children but, I do not think that it is Aunt Alexandra’s place to be telling Atticus about how to raise his kids. I also do not think that Atticus should have said “You know you’re a Finch, don't you?” Saying that makes maybe the Finch’s seem superior in Jems mind and could make him act even more rude. I was at my seventh birthday party. It was all about me that day and the power had got to my head. I had told my mom to shut up. She was very upset and pulled me aside and told me to never say that or treat her with disrespect. I now know that I have to treat people with respect and be a good representation of my family.
The theme that this scene represents this conversation is the importance of home and family. Atticus is explaining to Jem that he has to be respectful to everyone or it will reflect badly on his family because what people think of you affects how people see your family. Atticus is trying to teach Jem and Scout about respect and how much family should mean to you.
Francesca, I agree with you. I think that Alexandra's thoughts were in the right place, however it was not her place to tell Atticus how to raise his kids. I don't think that the way Atticus approached talking to his kids was the best way, but in the end he figured out how to get his message across in the best way- to be themselves.
I understand where Atticus is coming from. I personally can not relate to it because my parents did not put a big influence on our family name. My parents focused more on my individuality, not on our family name.
I agree with you, Francesca. Alexandra is a new member in the house and she needs to ease her way into things. Although, she is an adult so she does deserve some respect. I like your text-to-self connection as well. I like how it ties together with the theme, good job.
“Aunty had a way of declaring What Is Best For The Family, and I suppose her coming to live with us was in that category.” page 171
In chapter 13, Aunt Alexandra and Atticus have decided that it would be best for the children if she were to move in and help to raise them. Here, Scout is talking about how she thinks that moving in was more Aunt Alexandra’s idea than Atticus’ idea.
I feel that Aunt Alexandra is helping out the family, because she believes that Atticus isn’t teaching Jem and Scout how to be a proper young lady and gentleman. In today’s time, many single parents will call in family members or hire a nanny to help with their children, but sometimes the person helping is teaching the child more than the parent is. The importance of home and family is present in this chapter, because Atticus only wants the best for Jem and Scout and he thinks that by bringing in a mother figure it will help Jem to become more of a gentleman and Scout to become more ladylike and girly. Atticus loves both of them very much and will do anything to make sure that they can grow and learn.
I agree that Atticus wants to bring in a mother figure , and trying to teach them to the proper young lady and gentlemen ,and I like the quote you used.
I agree with both of you, Atticus wants to bring a Aunty Alexandra into the family to change the way they act in a positive way, like Aunty Alexandra's family did.
I agree with Sophia because these are some important lessons to teach your kids about being respectful and mature. Aunt Alexandra may have good intentions about raising Scout but, I think she is being a little too forceful with this process. She should encourage Scout to be kind, intelligent, mature and respectful but she should let her be her own person.
"Well, your father and I decided that it was time I came to stay with you for a while." Page 169.
In this scene, Jem and Scout are greeted by Aunt Alexandra and her bags, saying that she was going to stay for a while(which is said to be anywhere from 3 to 30 years in Maycomb time). Aunt Alexandra and Atticus decided that she was going to stay in the house to help take care of the kids.
My personal opinion of why she wants to help take care of the kids is because she does not like the way that Atticus is teaching Jem and Scout on how to be a young lady and gentlemen. Because of Jem turning twelve and Scout also growing up, the importance of home and family is needed through the times that they are going through. Because of Atticus's controversial decision to defend for Tom Robinson in his case, Alexandra feels that she needs to go in and help teach the kids how to be "proper ladies and gentlemen."
The importance of home and family is a very important role in today's society mainly because of parents leaving children at a young age and the children ending up not having the proper role model they need. While Atticus in my opinion has to "leave" in order to take care of Tom, Jem and Scout need the care from a relative in order to continue their lives.
Atticus answered both questions in the affirmative. “How’d you like for her to come live with us?” I said I’d like that very much, which was a lie, but one must lie under certain circumstances and at all times when one can’t do anything about them. Page 171
In this scene, Atticus asks Scout if she would like it if Aunt Alexandra lived with that Finch family for more than just a visit. Scout replies with a yes, but she lies through her teeth. She lies because she knows in some situations you must lie or else the other’s feeling will be hurt. Obviously, a sly “no” would hurt Atticus because that means his own daughter despises his sister.
This is a lesson that my parents stressed to me as I grew up, and was around Scout’s age. They taught me to never lie, and being a wise guy I always would bring up situations where it is actually the right thing to lie. So, their new rule that I lived by was never lie unless someones feelings will be hurt. Clearly, this is a rule that Scout abides by in this scene. For example, if a girl asks if they look ugly, no matter what, you never say yes. It’s common sense… and if you do tell the truth, then someone will be hurt.
This situation connects to the theme of family. In a tight-knit family, they always know what to tell each other. Scout knows that if she reveals to Atticus that she isn't fond of his sister, he will be upset. Because of the love felt within their family, it is clear that Scout doesn’t want her father sad about something she said.
Yes I agree with you Teddy. Scout lied to agree with her dad and it was the most polite thing to do. Atticus was absent most of the time so Scout said that to make things easier. Also Scout did not argue because she knew it would not make a difference and would only make matters worse.
“It was plain that Auntie thought me dull in the extreme, because I once her tell Atticus that I was sluggish.” Chapter 13 page 170
In this text, Scout is thinking aloud. She is unable to relate to her older aunt and realizes her aunt’s disapproval in her. Scout is not happy that her aunt has come to live with her. She is used to the things are with her, Jem and Calpurnia.
I can relate to this text in my life today. I feel sometimes my aunts do not understand how my life is different from theirs. I believe that Scout was correct in feeling this way because her aunt was from a generation and was raised a different.
The theme that connects to this scene is generational gap. Scouts aunt was raised in a time where women were judge for their manners and the way they dressed. Also the way the hosted lunches. Scout only could relate to where she was in her life now. Scout did not care about social status.
I agree with you Liam. I like your text-to-self connection and sometimes also feel that my aunts don't understand me. I don't think Scout wants a change and she if fine just the way things are. Changes can be tough but she is going to have to deal with it. Good job.
“Stop that noise,” Atticus said… I know now what he was trying to do, but Atticus was only a man. It takes a woman to do that kind of work. Chapter 13, page 178-179
In these scene, Aunt Alexandra is a fanatic about family heritage and she badgers Atticus into explaining the importance of "gentle breeding" to the children. But when Scout is reduced to tears during his lecture, Atticus tells them to "Forget it."
How could Aunt Alexandra tell Atticus to kind of try to change the way Jem and scout are. I think it is very snoopy in the way Atticus is educating his children. Atticus is a good man and takes back what he said to Scout and Jem and tell them to forget about what he said. He realises that maybe the kids will suffer if he puts them in a situation like Aunt Alexandra wanted.
The theme that connects to this scene is the true definition of courage. It takes a lot of courage to do what Atticus did with Jem and Scout. Atticus just wanted what is the best for his children. Atticus is not used to talking to the children like that and at the end he ends up scaring them. He realizes that it is best if they learn as the time goes.
Related to the theme, the true definition of courage is a good choice for this quote. Also, I think that the importance of home and family could be a good theme in addition to your thoughts. Atticus is taking decisions on his kids and also on Alexandra’s thoughts which involves family. However, I like the way you explain the theme.
“Stop that noise,” Atticus said… I know now what he was trying to do, but Atticus was only a man. It takes a woman to do that kind of work. Chapter 13, page 178-179
In these scene, Aunt Alexandra is a fanatic about family heritage and she badgers Atticus into explaining the importance of "gentle breeding" to the children. But when Scout is reduced to tears during his lecture, Atticus tells them to "Forget it."
How could Aunt Alexandra tell Atticus to kind of try to change the way Jem and scout are. I think it is very snoopy in the way Atticus is educating his children. Atticus is a good man and takes back what he said to Scout and Jem and tell them to forget about what he said. He realises that maybe the kids will suffer if he puts them in a situation like Aunt Alexandra wanted.
The theme that connects to this scene is the true definition of courage. It takes a lot of courage to do what Atticus did with Jem and Scout. Atticus just wanted what is the best for his children. Atticus is not used to talking to the children like that and at the end he ends up scaring them. He realizes that it is best if they learn as the time goes.
“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of generations’ gentle breeding-” Page 177
In this scene of the story, Atticus is explaining to Scout and Jem how the family name of Finch has been established over several generations. Therefore, it must continue to be worn with pride and accompanied with good behavior. Aunt Alexandra is unhappy with the behavior she sees in Jem and Scout. She believes they must behave more like young ladies and gentlemen to keep a good Finch family name.
I can comprehend that there is some importance in family name’s and I understand Aunt Alexandra’s point of view however I do not agree with it. There is no reason to be angry at Scout because she does not dress like a proper young lady all of the time. Scout is still a child and as a child she should be allowed to get her clothes muddy without being disapproved by her aunt. I believe that although one should know of their families history and be mindful and respectful towards it. Each and every person will shape their own future and their families past should not need to affect them.
This section of the story relates to the theme of the importance of home and family. Aunt Alexandra is trying to impress upon the children how important a family's name and reputation is. However, Scout has trouble understanding this and hopes that her father will not continue to inforce what Aunt Alexandra believes.
I strongly agree with you that Scout is still just a young girl who is in the process of self-discovery, and shouldn't be reprimanded for acting in a way that doesn't "fit" with the family name. People have the right to live their own lives and not follow the path others lay before them.
“She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentlemen that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly.” page 177~178
Atticus was telling the message from Aunt Alexandra to Scout and Jem. Atticus was talking to them about they should behave and learn the way that they are from. I think that Scout and Jem should be respectful and good adult as Atticus and Aunt Alexandra.
I strongly agree with Atticus and Aunt Alexandra because they are trying to teach Scout and Jem how to become a great adult and how to behave like adult. This is similar to my life, my parent want me to become respectful adult and to be a nice person. Sometime my parent teach me how to be respectful and behave like Atticus and Aunt Alexandra has teach Scout and Jem.
This scene connects to the theme of theme of the importance of home and family. Atticus and Aunt alexandra are supporting Scout and Jem so Scout and Jem can became behaved adult. As they grow up, they are learning more from Atticus and Aunt Alexandra. So family is very important for Scout and Jem because Atticus and Jem are trying help them become great adult.
I enjoy your perspective on this scene. Most would say the opposite and claim that Alexandra is out of line, but you backed up your opinion very well. To some extent, Alexandra should let Jem and Scout grow up with their own personality but I like the fact that she is involved.
I very well indeed like how you supported your opinion. I agree with you and Teddy because you cannot force someone to be how you want them to be but you can encourage them.
"Gentle breeding - and that you should try to live up to your name " Pg 117.
In this scene Atticus is trying to explain to Jem to try and be like the men in his family .
I feel that the only real reason Atticus is asking this of Jem is because his sister Alexandra is making him do it. In the present this is known as peer pressure . Which has been able to do a lot in the past , and do a lot damage to people .
This scene shows the importance of family by Atticus trying to explain and teach Jem that he has to grow up and become the man he was meant to be . Although I am not a hundred percent on board with Atticus' thinking . I know that it must be also hard for Jem to try to fill in the footsteps of his father and other men in his family .
“She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentlemen that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly.” He concluded at a gallop. Ch. 13 page 177-178
In this scene Atticus is telling Scout and Jem a message that Aunt Alexandra has for them. Atticus is saying that Scout and Jem should learn about their family name and how they should live up to it. The Finch family is very respectful and both Jem and Scout should learn to behave respectfully and act a bit more mature.
I agree with Atticus and Aunt Alexandra. They are trying to raise Scout and Jem to their fullest potential. Both Atticus and his sister take pride in their ancestry and want Scout and Jem to live up to that. In order to do so, they need to teach them to behave well and be respectful. My life is very similar as well as my relationship with my parents and with my siblings.They want me to grow up to be very respectful and intelligent. So every once and a while, my parents would tell me a story or teach me a lesson just like Atticus does to Scout and Jem.
This scene ties in with the theme of the importance of home and family. Atticus and Alexandra want whats best for Scout and Jem and they want to see them grow up to be a well behaved adults. Although Scout may see Aunt Alexandra as being mean, that is only because she doesn't see that Alexandra just wants to raise her to be a well behaved young lady. Family is becoming very important to Scout and Jem and as they are growing older because Atticus and Aunt Alexandra are trying to transform them to be very disciplined adults
“Atticus, is all this behavin’ an’ stuff gonna make things different? I mean are you-?” I felt his hand on the back of my head. “Don’t you worry about anything,” he said. “It’s not time to worry.” When I heard that, I knew he had come back to us. page 178
In this scene, Scout is asking Atticus if having Aunt Alexandra live with them for a while will make things different. At that moment, Atticus realizes that he has been hard on the kids. He has been trying to change his children to live up to his sisters expectations, but now decides that they should be who he raised them to be.
Aunt Alexandra is thoroughly introduced for the first time in this chapter. She is Atticus’ sister and wants everything to be her way. Aunt Alexandra tries to force Jem and Scout to be who she envisions the perfect child to be. She does not allow them to be themselves. I believe that this is quite rude of her because it is Atticus’ responsibility to raise his children and he is doing a great job. My grandmother occasionally tells my mother how to parent my little sisters. This is similar to the scene in the book because like Aunt Alexandra, it is not right for my grandmother to tell my mom what to do.
The theme that connects to this scene is mainly the importance of home and family. Atticus, Jem and Scout are extremely close and are always looking out for eachother. When Aunt Alexandra comes to live in their household, her presence begins to divide the family apart. In this scene, Atticus perceives what is happening and soon changes his actions toward his children. I think that Atticus is an amazing father. He may make mistakes sometimes but so does everybody else.
Cassidy , I agree with you all the way . I feel that it is not Alexandra's place to tell the children how to act . It is up to Atticus in how he wants his children to be brought up.
“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not from run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of several generations’ gentle breeding—”
Atticus paused, watching me locate an elusive redbug on my leg.
“Gentle breeding,” he continued, when I had found and scratched it, “and that you should try to live up to your name—” Atticus persevered in spite of us: “She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentleman that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly,” he concluded at a gallop.” P.177-P.178
This scene from To Kill a Mockingbird expresses that Atticus respects his sister’s opinion enough to talk to his kids about their behavior based on what she had said to him. It is clear that the family name of the Finch’s is quite high-society, however it isn’t hard to tell that Scout and Jem’s behavior isn’t completely high-society.
I do not believe that it was right of Alexandra to tell Atticus how to raise his kids, and I do not agree with the fact that Atticus told his children to act based upon their name. This resulted in Scout crying because she was so hurt that Atticus would try to change her, and Atticus soon realized that it was wrong to try and change his children based on what his sister had told him to do. This expresses the theme of importance of home and family to Scout because she is hurt that Atticus tried to change her, and his opinion matters to her.
I witnessed a friend being bullied because of the job that her mother had been occupied, which was not right. I now know that people should never be judged based on their surrounding, because the girl that was bullied was very kind and intelligent, and so was her mother.
Many incidents nowadays throughout the world is there people that’re performing wrong-doings based on the way they judge others. For example, http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/07/24/odd.names/index.html?iref=hpmostpop this link shows a girl embarrassed of her name, and it’s because of the way people treat her. It’s so sad to think that people are making others go so far as to change their name because of bullying.
I agree with you in paragraph five, but I feel that it's more Alexandra who bullies Atticus into talking to his kids about their heritage and behavior. In my opinion, Scout begins to cry because she is confused by her father's behavior. Wouldn't you be confused if one day your parents started randomly voicing opinions that seem inconsistent with what they've told you before?
“We decided that it would be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won’t be many years, Jean Louise, before you become interested in clothes and boys “ Pg:170 L: 1
Aunt Alexandra came to Maycomb, to give Scout a feminine influence but Scout thinks why Calpurnia can be a feminine influence, Scout thinks that it will be many years before she would be interested in boys. But she kept that question later for Atticus. Aunt Alexandra was going to be staying with the family for a while in the house I am strongly disagree with Aunt Alexandra, she is trying to form Scout into a proper girl. She has a strong idea of what Finch women should be like, based upon years of family tradition, and tries to impose this on Scout. The themes that connect to this scene is the damage done by racism in accordance with Aunt Alexandra she has the idea of "Fine Folks”. She tries to explain to Scout that discrimination also exist in white families. People are not judged on their own qualities, but rather on stereotypes about his family. Aunt Alexandra also sounds like racist saying to Scout that black people can be treated like white families.
“Jem’s growing up now and you are too,” she said to me. “We decided that it would be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won’t be many years, Jean Louise, before you become interested in clothes and boys—” Pg 170
In this scene, Aunt Alexandra explains to Scout why she came to live with them. Aunt Alexandra wants Scout to become more of a women. Scout likes hanging around with boys and playing boyish games.
I agree with you 100% i did the same quote, and i think the reason why Aunt Alexander come to stay Atticus' family is because she is turning into a girl and Aunt Alexander want to teach how to behavior before she go out with boys.
“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not from run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of several years of gentle breeding-” (...) “ Live up to your name-” ( bottom of page 177)
In this scene Atticus is explaining to Jem and Scout what Aunt Alexandra has been telling him. She thinks that Jem and Scout need to start living up to their name and, “Acting like the little lady and gentlemen that they are.”
Scout was really annoyed with Atticus telling them that because she knew that was not really how he felt, it was Aunt Alexandra. I wonder why Atticus feels the need to say these things to Jem and Scout if he doesn't believe it. I can relate to Scout a little because when I was younger, before I left to go to my friends house my mom always told me to mind my manners. I always knew to be polite and say please and thank you and never call a parent by their first name. Even though I knew this she always wanted to remind me so I would make my family look good.
The the the importance of home and family was shown in this section because Aunt Alexandra is very proud of the family name and does not want anyone to go and ruin it. While living in Atticus’ house she feels the need to fix and change anything and everything that is not right in her eyes.
“We felt it was time you children needed-well it’s like this, Scout,” Atticus said. “Your aunt’s doing me a favor as well as you all. I can’t stay here all day with you, and the summers going to be a hot one.” ( Page 171)
In this situation Atticus is explaining to Scout why Aunt Alexandra must stay with them while Atticus is away. Aunt Alexandra is doing Atticus a favor and is helping him with his children.
I think that this was a kind thing of Aunt Alexandra to do. Especially since Scouts father is working on the Tom Robinson case which has him stressed out and had an emergency session that caused him to leave for two weeks. This is similar to my family, whenever a family member of mine goes on a trip and needs help we rely on eachother. For example when my aunt had to go visit her ill mother my cousin stayed with us. We rely on each other and are there for eachother when in need.
This scene represents the theme of the importance of family. Aunt Alexandra leaves her home and family behind to help her brother Atticus and his family. She also shows a pride in her family and says they should want to live up to the Finch name. Aunt Alexandra insists Atticus should teach them of their family’s history.
“I wants to know why you bringin’ white chillun to nigger church… You ain’t got no business bringin’ white chillun here-they got their church, we got our’n. It’s our church, ain’t it, Miss Cal?” (page 158 chapter 12)
In this scene Jem and Scout accompany Calpurnia to church. She takes them to an all black church, First Purchase. As they enter they are rudely greeted by a member of the church Lula. Lula states to Calpurnia that Jem and Scout have no reason to be present in the church.
I find this scene to be disrespectful and disturbing because I strongly believe all people should be treated equally no matter their race or ethnicity. This scene shows the segregation, racism and discrimination that took place back then. Not only were these problems seen back then but today they are still present. On March 13th Huffington post wrote an article about a woman, Saadia Mosbah who is currently the head of a group M’nemty. This group is an active group which fights racial discrimination. Saadia Mosbah has experienced many racist and stereotypical comments. As a flight attendant she has had the experience of 2 colleagues of hers whom didn't want to travel with her because they said “It’s degrading to fly under the command of an Ousifa”, referring to the fact she is a black woman.
The theme of damage done by racism is represented in this scene. Lula a grown adult member of the church made a racist comment towards two young children whom were not harming anyone. She refers to the fact that they have their own church, revealing that because of the damage of racism two separate churches were built. This scene shows the extent of how certain characters/people felt during this time.
I agree with you Joanna, I think Lula's comment was disrespectful and unnecessary. She shouldn't have said that. Especially because they were Calpurnia's guests and they were children. Church should be a safe place for everyone of every skin color because they all believe in the same God.
"'How'd you like for her to come live with us?' I said I would like it very much, which was a lie, but one must lie under certain circumstances and at all times when one can't do anything about them." page 171
In this scene Atticus asks Scout if she would like for Aunt Alexandra to live with them. Scout agrees to the idea in fear of hurting her father's feelings. Scout explains that in certain situations one must lie one another person's feelings are jeopardy.
I completely agree with Scout's logic in this chapter. Of course lying isn't the go to move in any circumstance, but, you may have to lie when someone's feelings are at stake. Everyone was taught not to lie as a child. However, as people mature they begin to realize that there are certain times when one must lie. For example, if your mother just finished cooking a five hour meal what are you going to say? No matter how it tastes you're going to say you love it. No one wants to lie to their mother, but, sometimes you have to.
The theme in this chapter is the importance of home and family. It doesn't matter if you hate your aunt, cousin, uncle, whatever. Family is family and you love them through thick and thin. Scout understands this so tells her father what he wants to hear... she loves her aunt.
“ We decided that it would be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won’t be many years, Jean Louise, before you become interested in clothes and boys-” Page 170
In this scene, Aunt Alex and Jeremy Atticus are talking, Aunt Alexandra are saying that she and Atticus had a conversation, the both end up to be the best for Jen would be that Aunt Alex will stay with Atticus and his family for a while.
I think that Atticus's sister, Alexandra comes to stay with Atticus because she feels Scout needs a stronger female influence in her life. Jem is entering adolescence, which means Scout is not far behind him. To Alexandra's way of thinking it would be easier on Atticus and in Scout's best interest if a female relative was there in the house with them. The theme that connects to this scene is the importance of home and family. Aunt Alexandra came to live with the Finch family in order to adjust their behaviors to make them more like other peoples behaviors around the community and to show that Jem and Scout can act like the lady and gentleman they are. Aunt Alexandra is a very polite, calm, and a well-put-together individual. There may be many positive things about Aunt Alexandra, but a negative about her is that she doesn't respect coloured people the same way that she white people.
“It was a sad thing that my father had neglected to tell me about the Finch Family, or to install any pride into his children.” Chapter 13 Page 176
In this scene from the book, Scout is thinking to herself and she is reflecting on her Aunt’s disapproval of how little the children know about their heritage.
I strongly agree with Scout’s thoughts. I believe that it is very important for one to understand their family’s past. Once you are able to understand your past, it is easier to understand aspects of your life, and the past can provide explanations for cultural beliefs and traditions. Statistics show that 50 percent of Americans have never even researched their roots. This statistic is extremely shocking considering the role ancestry plays in one’s life. Nowaday, people are more concerned with the newest technologies rather than learning about where they came from.
This segment from the book relates to the importance of home and family. Alexandra takes pride in her heritage, and she wants to make sure that Scout and Jem realize what the Finch name has meant to the Maycomb community.
It's astonishing how many people even today do not know their roots and heritage. I completely agree and understand that Scout and Jem don't know everything about their family history because they are still so young. This aggravates Alexandra because she takes pride in their ancestry, but she should teach the children rather than getting mad that they don't know it.
“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not from run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of several generations’ gentle breeding—” Page 177
In this scene, Atticus explains to Jem and Scout why Aunt Alexandra is so strict about how they present themselves. Aunt Alexandra believes that the children should be raised differently than Atticus and Calpurnia have been raising them.
I feel that Aunt Alexandra is so strict to Jem and Scout because she wants to uphold the positive Finch reputation. Alexandra is a very formal woman because she was raised in a very traditional way. When I was growing up, my parents would scold me if I ever talked back to an adult because they wanted to bestow good values in me. They wanted to teach me to behave properly when I was younger so that I would grow up to be a respectful person. I believe that although you want to present yourself well, you should not have to change or hide your true personality.
This scene connects to the theme of the importance of home and family. Alexandra cares deeply about both Jem and Scout, and she wants them to present themselves well because their actions reflect upon the entire Finch family. Scout doesn’t know that Lily Brooke is her cousin which embarasses Alexandra. Also, Jem only remembers the scandalous incident in which Cousin Joshua cost the family 500 dollars, but he doesn’t remember the book he wrote. Alexandra is annoyed that Scout and Jem to know who is a part of the Finch clan and be proud of their accomplishments.
“… but Aunt Alexandra was of the opinion, obliquely expressed, that the longer a family had been squatting on one patch of land the finer it was.” Page 173
Scout narrates Alexandra’s beliefs about what makes a fine folks. Jem contradicts Alexandra by saying that if that is true, then the Ewells must be fine folks as well. Jem and Scout were raised to believe that fine folks were people that make the most of their situation.
Do you think that preferential treatment based upon how long a family has been part of a community?
In comparison to today, colleges tend to take into consideration whether or not an applicant is a legacy. If your family has gone to a college, you have an increased chance of getting in, and you are highly respected. I believe that a person should be accepted to college based purely on their own merits and not given special consideration if they are a legacy.
This article shows the difference in the acceptance of legacy students in comparison to regular students. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/25/opinion/end-college-legacy-preferences.html
This scene portrays the theme of importance of home and family. In the town of Maycomb, Alabama, people have very different ideas about what makes people fine folks. Alexandra thinks that the longer you stay on your family land, the finer person you are. Jem counters this by suggesting that if that were true the Ewells would be considered very fine people. This shows that you are taught that different things are more important by your family. Atticus Finch teaches Jem and Scout that a fine person is someone who tries to the best of their ability.
Lilia, I agree with you saying that colleges should not take whether or not a person is a legacy into consideration when they apply for college. It gives an unfair advantage to upper class citizens whose parents only got in because a long line of their ancestors gave the school money. A lower income person with great grades, perfect SAT scores, and who does extra-curricular activities could not get into a prestigious school because so many legacies apply.
“we decided that it would be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won’t be many years, Jean Louise before you become interested in clothes and boys--” Ch 13, page 170.
In this scene, Aunt Alexandra wants Scout to grow up more like a woman because Scout most of the time dresses and plays games like a boy. Also aunt Alexandra came to stay for a while.
During this historical time period girls most likely use to act like boys. Back then things were different. In my opinion if I was a girl in the 1930’s I would probably would act more like a guy. Since everything wasn't that easy for girls.
The theme that connects to this scene is the importance of home and family. Aunt Alexandra came to live with them so that so she can try to make sure that Scout and Jem become more like adults, to take more responsibilities and respect because that's something really important to her and to always be on the right path.
"She never let a chance escape her to point out the shortcomings of other tribal groups to the glory of our own, a habit that amused Jem rather than annoyed him:" Ch.13 page 172
In this paragraph Scout explains how Aunty Alexandra sticks up for what she believes in and how Jem admires how she does it.
The themes that connect to this paragraph are the true definition of courage and the importance of home and family. Aunty Alexandra wants to show them that you should stick for what you think it's right and speak your mind when needed. This shows how courageous she is by sticking up for herself. Today there are many protests that are occuring around the world for equal rights.
“There was indeed a caste system in Maycomb, but to my mind it worked this way: the older citizens, the present generation of people who had lived side by side for years and years, were utterly predictable to one another: they took for granted attitudes, character shadings, even gestures, as having been repeated in each generation and refined by time. Thus the dicta No Crawford Minds His Own Business, Every Third Merriweather Is Morbid, The Truth Is Not in the Delafields, All the Bufords Walk Like That, were simply guides to daily living: never take a check from a Delafield without a discreet call to the bank; Miss Maudie Atkinson’s shoulder stoops because she was a Buford; if Mrs. Grace Merriweather sips gin out of Lydia E. Pinkham bottles it’s nothing unusual- her mother did the same.” Page 175
In this text, Scout is explaining how each last name labels a person/family in Maycomb, and people of the community use these labels as guides to living.
I wonder why Maycomb has such distinct stereotypes for different families. My inference would be that because it’s such a small town where everybody knows everybody, and the same families have stayed in Maycomb for many generations, certain character traits have stayed within families and are now associated with their last name and are known by the whole community. In the small town my family in Ecuador lives in, everybody knows everybody as well, but we see less of these stereotypes. Last names are usually associated with shops or land owned, who works for who, how big the family is, etc. In a city like New York City, however, people hardly know their next-door neighbors, so family stereotypes are almost never present.
A theme that can connect to this excerpt of the book is the importance of home and family. It’s clear that family plays a huge role in daily life of the people of Maycomb. Their last names “represent” who they are and how they act, and the community lives accordingly, such as not confiding in Mrs. Crawford because she is a total gossip.
This can also connect to the reason that Alexandra is in Maycomb. She thinks that Scout is not living up to the Finch name, and is trying to do something about it. The name of a person in Maycomb holds a lot of value, and being called a Finch is a lot better than being called a Haverford.
"We decided that it would be best for you to have feminine influence. It won't be many years, Jean Lousie, before you become interested in clothes and boys-" said Aunt Alexandra (Page 170)
In this scene Aunt Alexandra is explaining to Scout why she's staying with them for a while. Atticus and her thought it was a good idea to have a feminine influence on her. Aunt Alexandra and Atticus wanted the best for Scout and thought this would be the best for her.
I honestly disagree with Aunt Alexandra and Atticus. I believe they are trying to change Scout and I think that they should let her be who she wants to be. Scout desses like a boy and acts like one but they think she should be more feminine. I understand that they want the best for her but I don't think changing her is the answer. A lot of people have tried to change me to become a better person but it only makes me feel bad because it's saying that I'm not good enough.
This scene connect with the theme the importance of home and family. Even though I disagree with what they're doing they are trying to do the best for scout so she can become a better person, even though that might not help.
“... ‘and you should try to live up to your name-’ Atticus persevered in spite of us: ‘She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentleman that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly,’ he concluded at a gallop.” Pages 177-178.
In this scene, Atticus is explaining to Jem and Scout how their aunt wants them to live up to their name and behave accordingly. Aunt Alexandra has a preoccupation with hereditary, so it’s important for her that her niece and nephew act as their ancestors acted.
I personally find it hard to relate to this, but I have a friend who feels the pressure to live up to his name. He has grown up in a very successful family, with his older brothers being elite athletes and even having one brother attend an Ivy League school. He wants to be able to live his own life without having to live up to expectations caused by his brothers, and both Jem and Scout also want to be themselves without being compared to their past family.
A theme that can connect to this scene is the importance of home and family. In Maycomb, the idea of living up to your name seems to greatly play a role in life, according to this scene. The Finches are known for being prosperous and dedicated, starting with Simon Finch, who died rich due to his medical practice, so it is expected of Scout and Jem, especially by their aunt, to live prosperous and dedicated lives as well.
“We decided that it might be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won't be many years, Jean Louise, before you become interested in clothes and boys.” Chapter 13, page 170
In this scene Aunt Alexandria has come to see Scout and Jem, she believes that Scout needs some “girl” time because she is not what they believe to be a classy young lady.
I find this quote to be incredibly disturbing. The fact that there is something that Scout is expected to do in the sense of who she is and her beliefs upsets me. Scout should be able to dress however she wants and act how ever she wants (within reason) she is just a kid! In the 1930’s when this book takes place women were expected to act a certain way and do certain things, they did not have the same rights as men and were not treated equally. In the modern world a young woman would not be expected to dress a certain way, she could wear overalls if she wanted to. Also the fact that Aunt Alexandria said that you will be into boys as well upsets me. They are already telling her what she can and can not like. When this book was written it was not as acceptable to be gay as it is now. In modern society no one would tell her that she will like boys because she may not and that is perfectly fine, it is just the way you are born. The themes that connect to this quote are the importance of family and the true definition of courage. Scout dresses how she wants and acts how she wants, she in a way protests for her own rights by not blending into society. She stands up for what she believes in and does not care what others think of her, that is true courage. It shows the importance of family because her family is coming to try and help her which shows they care and are there to help. Aunt Alexandria came from her town (Landing) in order to give Scout some “girl time” to try and mold her into the girl they want her to be. Although I don’t agree with what they are doing I do have to admit that it shows the importance of family because Aunt Alexandria is giving up her free time to “help” Scout.
I am completely on the same page as you. Even though Alexandra feels like she is doing the right thing, she is out of her boundaries, and is doing something that is helping nobody. Scout does not want her help and is annoyed by her presence. The fact that she is trying to completely change Scouts personality is terrible, and even though she thinks that she is doing the right thing, she is doing the opposite.
"'Gentle breeding,' he continued, when I had found and scratched it, 'and that you should try to live up to your name--' Atticus persevered in spite of us: 'She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentleman that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly,' he concluded at a gallop." Page 177 & 178
In this scene, Atticus shares Aunt Alexandra’s demands with Jem and Scout. to Jem and Scout Atticus tells them that Aunt Alexandra believes they should act a certain a way, being Finch children. According to her, being a Finch means living up to the family name and to act accordingly. on how they should behave as Finch children.
I disagree with Aunt Alexandra because Jem and Scout will mature on their own. They are still kids, and they shouldn't be forced to rush their childhood. It is also not her place to demand that her niece and nephew act a certain way. If Atticus truly agreed with Aunt Alexandra, he would've asked that of Jem and Scour a long time ago, and on his own.
This sections connects to the theme of home and family. Home and family is truly the basis of how you go about life. Your values and beliefs come from your home and family, which can affect the rest of your life. In this case, Aunt Alexandra's beliefs and values will strongly influence Jem and Scout.
Chapter 13: ..."the longer a family had been squatting on one patch of land the finer it was said Aunt Alexandra." "That makes the Ewells fine folks then said Jem." (Page 173)
In this scene Aunt Alexandra shares her opinion of what fine land means.
The themes that relate to this scene are the importance of home and family. The Ewells are not the best family you could say. Robert Ewell is an alcoholic who spends government checks on alcohol instead of trying to help his family. I think that Aunt Alexandra is trying to say that sticking together as a family is very important. The Ewells have been squatting on their land for a very long time and it can only get longer. Mayella Ewell is the oldest daughter and has to play a big role in the family taking care of her siblings due to her fathers alcohol problem but the family still manages to stick together. Many families teach different things. Jem says that if that was true than the Ewells would be fine people but they are not the finest you could say.
I agree with Aunt Alexandra's statement. My family has a house in upstate New York that my Great-Grandfather build. I always feel great when I go there especially since my Great Grandfather build it. It is not very big but right on a lake and my family always seems to find a new adventure every time we visit. This house is very important to my family and I think that is finer than a mansion. Atticus teaches Jem and Scout that a fine person is anyone who tries their best to the best of their ability. I can see both sides and agree with both, nobody can exceed there best. http://southoldlocal.com/2014/10/15/krupskis-farm-legacy-love-land-passed-four-generations/
I can relate to your statement about a family property that has been in the family for generations. My dad is from Michigan, and most of his family has lived there for quite a few generations. They have a house in Northern Michigan that the family shares for different parts of the summer, and when I go there I can feel the calm that drove my family to build there. I have a few great memories there, from snorkeling to find deer bones in the lake, to running on trains in the woods. It is the familiar aspect to a place that makes you feel like you belong there, and that is implemented by family ties.
“Aunty had a way of declaring What Is Best For The Family, and I suppose her coming to live with us was in that category.” page 171
This is said by Scout, as a narrator when she realizes that her aunt is staying with her and her family for a while. She is frustrated that she will be forced out of her tomboyish lifestyle, and hard pressed into one of a lady.
Scout has never had any intention of being a lady. From her friends, to her ideas of what a fun summer day is like, Scout has always had the ideas of a young boy. To Aunt Alexandra, this is due to the lack of a feminine presence in her home, so she asserts herself as so. I agree with Aunt Alexandra on this in a small way. She sees Scout as a young girl who is just dying to express her feminism, but has no one to do so with. So, she makes herself available for Scout to do this, even though Scott never actually wanted to do this in the first place. But I strongly disagree with Alexandra forcing Scout into a lady. If she wants to be a tomboy, let her be a tomboy. I she ever has any desire to be feminine, she can always talk to Cal. As a child, I was never told by my parents that I had to do this because it is what boys do, even though I did do those things. But the option to express whatever part of you you want to show is a great thing.
This is a clear connection to the theme of the importance of family. From Alexandras point of view, she is helping a young girl express herself in a way that she never could before. That is a very ethical thing to do and I respect her for her decision to do so. But I do not agree with her just barging into the family without Scout actually showing any desire whatsoever to do these things. Alexandra is just trying to make Scout show what Alexandra thinks is the best of her, but is actually just annoying Scout. This also could somewhat connect to the true definition of courage. Alexandra is leaving her family behind to try to teach her brothers children what she thinks is the best way to live, and those actions in themselves are enough to make me respect her.
“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of several generations’ gentle breeding-” Page 177 I don’t believe it is Alexandra’s place to tell Atticus how to raise his children because Scout and Jem lack the sense of pride in their lineage that she likes to flaunt around. Aunt Alexandra believes people with the Finch name should behave well because bad behavior reflects on the family name. This was definitely the wrong way to approach this situation. Atticus respects his children and they respect him. Atticus initially considers having the children follow his sister’s edict on acceptable behavior for a Finch but he has a change of heart and tells them to forget everything about proper Finch behavior. Being proud of ancestry and family has been an apparent theme throughout the novel. Each family's’ reputation comes from past events. The Radleys are seen as eccentric because they don’t interact much with the other residents of Maycomb. Personally I have a strong connection to heritage because of what I have been taught by my mother and maternal grandparents. Family always comes first and it is important to foster the bonds of extended family and heritage. Like Jem and Scout I have experienced loyalty, pride and the value of hard work from my family.
On PG# 171 Aunt Alexandra states, "We decided it would be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won't be many years, Jean Louise, before you became interested in clothes and boys."
In this scene, Scout’s aunt, Alexandra, a classy women and Maycomb's talk of the town explains to scout that she eventually has to grow up and look up to her family name. Aunt Alexandra is constantly worried by the Finch’s family image, and she can’t let Scout tarnish it.
This quote can be tied to two common themes even in our modern society, The importance of family and growing up. An example of this today is in places like China where surnames are valued, respected and preserved for many generations.
“We decided that it might be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won't be many years, Jean Louise, before you become interested in clothes and boys.” Chapter 13, page 170
In this scene aunt alexandra has come to see jem and scout , aunt alexandra thinks that scout needs some girl time because she is not what they believe to be a classy young gir.
In this scene scout is being told what she can and can not wear which bothers me. If scout believes in wearing overalls then she should be able to do it. Scout should do or dress however she feels she is just a kid.when the book was written in the 1930’s when it takes place women were not expected anything in the way they dress or act to some matter. In the real world today a women would not be told which shit she has to wear or she is not girly enough
The themes that connect to this quote are the importance of family and the true definition of courage. Scout dresses how she wants and acts the way she would like without being told otherwise. She does not care what other people think of her she only cares about what she thinks of her. It takes real courage to stand up for what she believes in especially in the hard time and conditions they are in. Although i don't agree or like what is happening it does show the importance of family because aunt alexandra is giving up her time for Scout.
“Besides, I don’t think the children have suffered one bit from her having brought them up. If anything, she’s been harder on them in some ways than a mother would have been… she’s never let them get away with anything, she’s never indulged them the way most colored nurses do. She tried to bring them up according to her lights, and Cal’s lights are pretty good—and another thing, the children love her.” Page 183.
In this scene Atticus and Aunt Alexandra are arguing about Calpurnia. Aunt Alexandra thinks that Calpurnia has been there long enough and that they should let her go. But Atticus says that Calpurnia doesn’t do anything else but good things for the kids and that, that is why Calpurnia has to stay. I agree with atticus in this one because if Calpurnia is not doing anything wrong and is only doing good things for them their is no need to ask her to leave.I never had a babysitter or a nanny or made but if i had one that did everything i said and did nothing wrong why wouldnt i want to keep her. This probably bothered Jem and Scout the most because they do not have a mother so hey need a mother type figure like that.
This scene has to do with the importance of family because Calpurnia is like a mother to Scout and Jem and if Atticus asked her to leave that would have affected them badly. Atticus Understands this because he know that she has been their for his kids over the years when needed her and she has done nothing wrong for him to think otherwise.
“Your aunt has has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not from run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of several generations’ gentle breeding-” page 177
In this scene Atticus is telling scout and Jem that they are the product of several generations of gentle breeding and that they have to act like the lady and gentleman that they are. I think that Atticus said that because he doesn't want Jem and Scout to behave disrespectful or uneducated and cause people to think that if Scout and Jem are bad then probably so is the entire family.
This scene relates to families that are obsessed with perfection and want their kids to be and behave perfect like for example their kids should have great grades and look presentable at all times and many other expectations. This scene is relatable to some families.
Lulu stopped, but she said, “You ain’t got no business bringin’ white chillum here--they got their church, we got our’n. It is our church, ain’t it, Miss Call?””
In this scene, Lulu starts an argument with Calpurnia about how she is not allowed to bring white people as her company to a black church. Calpurnia says that because they all believe in the same God, they should be able to warship in the same church.
This scene connects the theme of damage done by racism. Lulu is upset because of all the racism she faces. Back during the Great Depression, there was a lot of segregation and discrimination towards black people. Black people would turn to places like their church to belong and when Scout and Jem show up in her church, she feels that they have to leave because this is her safe place.
Discrimination still plays a very large role in our society today. People are constantly discriminated against because of his or her race. I disagree with Lulu and the fact that she doesn't want white people in her church because she is doing to them what she doesn't want to happen to her. She is blaming all the racism she has dealt with onto two young kids which isn't right.
"Well, your father and I decided it was time I came to stay with you for a while." pge 169
I this scene of chapter 13, Jem and Scout are greeted at the front door by their Aunt Alexandra. Jem and Scout say that she is staying with them for three days to 30 years (as Scout's estimation), and they especially don't like this idea. Aunt Alexandra told Jem and Scout how she wanted to take care of them. She also wanted to help Scout find something to do in Maycomb because Scout isn't getting along with Jem. This is because Jem is going through rough times hitting puberty and becoming a "mister," as Calpurnia calls him in the beginning of chapter 12.
I think the theme of this chapter is the importance of home and family. This is because Aunt Alexandra goes to Maycomb just to take care if her niece and nephew that don't even like her at all. Also, Aunt Alexandra is attempting to raise Scout's ability to entertain herself or with others without Jem.
If I were in Jem's shoes at this point in the novel, I would at least try to support and be respectful to my little sister as best as possible. On the other hand, Jem is being rude and evasive to Scout and not even trying to make eye contact with her.
Starting on page 173, Harper Lee writes about how the effect of different families interact with the 'mood' of the town. Aunt Alexandria comes to town to stay with the Finch's "for a while" and she reflects on how a family name effects who you are. In comparison to today I believe this is still true. Although who you are matters more than who your family is, you can still be treated differently because of family. For example, the child of a town drunk will be treated like trash because their parent ruins the family name but, if that same child were from a family line of royalty they would be treated as if the whole universe centers around them. In the novel, Aunt Alexandria stays at the Finch's to teach Scout and Jem about how representing your family name is more important than anything else.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, Max. Your family heritage is very important when it comes to how people perceive you. In Scout and Jem's case they are learning to become respectful adults. Aunt Alexandra and Atticus want to teach them to follow in the footsteps of their ancestors. It really makes you notice how much your parents and your family has done to make you the best person you can be.
DeleteI agree to this statement. Since Aunt Alexandra has come to stay with Atticus and the kids she's forcing Atticus to change Jem and Scouts behavior. Scout doesn't know where to turn and feels lost like you said. But in that sense, Scout turns to Atticus for comfort and to really get to know what is happening and what is going to change.
DeleteI agree with you, Max. Even though not as many people judge others based on the actions of their relatives nowadays as much as they used to during the Great Depression, there are still many who do. It's quite sad, yet quite hard to fix.
DeleteI like your point about the status of your families. I still agree that no matter who you are today, your "class" can depend on the reputation of the family that you come from. Also I like your point on who you are matters more than your family name. Great job!
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ReplyDelete“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not from run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of several generations’ gentle breeding--”
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“Gentle breeding,” he continued, when I had found and scratched it, “and that you should try to live up to your name--” Atticus persevered in spite of us: “She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentleman that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly,” he concluded at a gallop. Bottom of page 177, top of page 178.
In this scene, Atticus explains to Jem and Scout that they are the product of several generations of gentle breeding, not average or ordinary people. Furthermore, Jem and Scout need to prove to Atticus and Aunt Alexandra that they can act according.
I strongly agree with what Aunt Alexandra tells Atticus to say to the children. Personally, I have been to many friends houses, where the kids try to act cool in front of their friends. By doing this, it may embarrass, or insult the parents, because it does not reflect the way the they raised their children. An example is when the the child calls the parents by their first name, asks for things without saying please, and receive things without saying thank you. In many of these cases, the parents would later pull the child aside, and have a serious conversation with them, similar to what Atticus did with his children.
The theme that connects to this scene is the importance of home and family. Whether you have friends over, or being introduced to a family new member, it is a childs duty the give their family members the utmost respect that they deserve. In To Kill A Mockingbird, Jem and Scout may not like Aunt Alexandra, but, she has good advice to offer that may help them in future situations.
I also agree with Alexandria's point of view. It is important to make your family name have a good reputation. If a young kid became one of the most wealthy people in the world, it would make the family name very decisive from others in a good way. However, if that same individual became a notorious warlord, it would not only disgrace his memory but the memory of his family too.
DeleteJaven, I completely agree with you. I believe that children have been gradually getting worse and worse to their parents throughout the years, but to disagree with you respectively, I would have to say that part of the reason that the kids show a lack of discipline or respect towards their parents is due to the parents being weak or spoiling their children. Granted, there are many parents that are very good to their children, there are also many that don't discipline their kids enough, resulting in disrespect towards the parents from the children, especially since there's so much new technology.
DeleteJaven, I agree and I can completely relate to your text-to-self connection. Just like you, I have seen friends acting in a way to parents and or guardians that is contradicting to the morals and values that they have been taught. I think that is a great connection to the world today.
DeleteI agree with everyone above. Kids today are not taught the same how to respect adults as they used to. I have witnessed many occasions where kids completely disrespect there parents or even other adults. Some kids just care about technology and when the parent tries to take there device away there becomes a big conflict and can sometimes end up with a meltdown. I think that our society needs to change. Like Sonny said there are many respectful kids but I think that there are too many incidents happening with kids disrespecting there parents and even other adults.
Delete“She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentlemen that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly.” He concluded at a gallop. Bottom of page 177 to the top of page 178.
ReplyDeleteIn this scene Atticus is reporting a message that Aunt Alexandra has for Scout and Jem. Atticus is saying that Scout and Jem should learn the type of people that they come from. The Finch family is very respectful and both Jem and Scout should learn to act like that and behave respectfully.
I agree with the point of view of Atticus and Aunt Alexandra. They are trying to raise both Scout and Jem to their full potential. Atticus and Aunt Alexandria take pride in their ancestry and want Scout and Jem to live up to that. The only way to do that is to teach them to be respectful and have good behavior. This is very similar to my life and my relationship with my parents. They want to see me grow up and be very respectful and a good person. So from time to time they would sit down with me and teach me lessons just like Atticus and Aunt Alexandra would do.
This scene in chapter 13 has a lot to do with the theme of the importance of home and family. Atticus and Aunt Alexandra want whats best for Scout and Jem and they want to see them grow up to be a well behaved adults. Both Aunt Alexandra and Atticus know that their family and ancestors were very respectful people and they want to see Scout and Jem follow in their footsteps. Scout may see Aunt Alexandra as mean but that is only because she doesn't see that Aunt Alexandra just wants to raise her to be a well behaved young lady. So family is becoming very important to Scout and Jem and as they are growing older because Atticus and Aunt Alexandra are trying to shape them to be wonderful young adults.
Hi, I agree with the fact that both Jem and Scout have to grow up and represent the family, but Atticus and Aunt Alexandra can't force the children to be a certain way or to pretend to be perfect, because they'll both want to break out and be their own person. It's one thing for Aunt Alexandra to try to push Scout in the right direction, but she shouldn't force her to speak with some ladies that she doesn't even know.
Delete“There was nowhere to go, but I turned to go and met Atticus’s vest front… When I heard that, I knew he had come back to us.” Page 178.
ReplyDeleteIn this scene, Atticus tells Jem and Scout that they are Finches and should start acting like it. However, Scout knows that those aren’t the words of her father and that Aunt Alexandra forced Atticus to say it. Scout feels lost and doesn’t know who to turn to, but Atticus is there for her.
Similar to my own family, whenever one of us has a problem we will always have someone to turn to. Just like how Scout had Atticus to turn to when she thought she didn’t. Families will always fight and make mistakes, but if it is a strong family, they will always make up and become closer because of it.
The theme that connects to this scene is the importance of home and family. Even with Aunt Alexandra in the picture, making life a struggle for Scout, she still has her father, Atticus, to turn to. As Atticus has shown throughout the whole book, he is a great father and role model for Scout and Jem. I hope that Aunt Alexandra won’t corrupt and change Atticus’s morale beliefs.
I agree with you, Sam. Atticus is always there for Scout when she needs it. While Scout may think he has other things on his mind or he has many flaws, she sometimes forgets to appreciate how much he cares for her. Hopefully Atticus stays the same even with Aunt Alexandra's different opinions on how Scout and Jem are being raised.
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DeleteI am strongly supportive of the position that Sam took in this scene. Both Jem and Scout have a shoulder to cry on when they know they have made a mistake, or feel guilty for something they have done. Calpurnia, and Atticus may come down hard on the kids, but they both do a wonderful job of providing the necessary support and love in order to build them back up.
DeleteI agree with you. Atticus would do anything for his children and loves them unconditionally. People may disagree and say he is too tough on the kids but, he does it out of love.
DeleteI agree with you Sam. Atticus has been a great father to Scout and Jem, and Alexandra hasn't been the most supportive, however, I think that Alexandra is correct in the sense that Scout and Jem should take pride in their name, and try not to make a bad impression, but at the same time, they shouldn't have to focus on what other people think about them, and that's what Alexandra is suggesting.
DeleteI strongly agree with all of the comments above. Atticus is an amazing father and always makes the best decisions for Scout and Jem. The children may think that he and Calpurnia are hard on them, but in the end they know that these two adults will always be there for them.
DeleteI strongly agree with your viewpoint Sam. Scout and Jem know that Atticus is an amazing father, and that the only reason him and Calpurnia may be hard on them sometimes, it is only to make them better. It is upsetting to me that Aunt Alexandria would put words into Atticus's mouth like that, it would deeply upset me if I where in Scout's shoes.
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ReplyDelete“She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentleman that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly,” he concluded at a gallop. Page 177 and 178.
ReplyDeleteIn this scene Atticus is telling Jem and Scout that should learn about their families past and who they are and what they have done for Maycomb County. The Finch family has done a lot for Maycomb and Jem and Scout should learn from them so they can do what they have done, in the future.
I strongly agree with Atticus’ and Aunt Alexandra’s points of view. They are trying to show Jem and Scout what they can achieve and what they can become. They are trying to show that being respectful and kind can get you anywhere. This is just like what my parents are trying to teach me, that I should be polite and respectful and to try to make friends with everyone I can and to always have manners. They want me to be the best man I can be and that is why, sometimes the teach me lessons about life, kind of like Atticus and Aunt Alexandra are doing with Jem and Scout in this scene.
This scene has to do with the importance of home and family, which is a big theme in this book. Atticus and Aunt Alexandra are trying to show how important their family is and how they can learn from them. They are trying to get Jem and Scout to be just as respectful and kind as their past family. Scout may think that Aunt Alexandra is just mean but maybe Aunt Alexandra is just trying to raise Scout to be like her.
I agree with you Tyler V. Jem and Scout are intelligent human beings, but sometimes there behavior can be inappropriate. If they are able to improve this aspect, they will prove to people how well they have been brought up in their home, rather than being seen as the dead beats of the generation. More importantly, they will give fellow family members the respect that they deserve.
Delete“ We decided that it would be best for you you to have some feminine influence. It won’t be many years, Jean Louis, before you become interested in clothes and boys---”. Top of pg 170
ReplyDeleteIn chapter thirteen Jem and Scout find a huge surprise sitting in the rocking chair on their porch. Aunt Alexandra explains to the kids how she’d be staying with them for a while. She said that they needed a feminine influence, not just a fatherly influence. This surprise caught both kids off guard. Now, the kids would have to practice manners, behave, and worst of all, Scout would have to be ladylike.
Through out the book Scout likes being a tomboy, and doesn’t exactIy act like she should. She grew up around all boys, and was the only girl. Because of this, she acts like a tomboy. She plays in mud, gets into trouble, likes guns, and is very adventurous . But she has the sense to behave in times that require behaving. But, I would assume that she misses her mother. Although she didn’t really get a chance to get to know her or see what she was like. Jem remembered her, but followed Atticus’ rules. Scout and Jem only saw Atticus’ parenting style. Their mom could have been the yin to Atticus’ yang. He would have been the tightly wound at times, strict, but loving father (he still is). Their mother could have been the soft spoken, wise, polite, fun and adventurous mother. Even though Scout doesn’t sense that she needs a mother, if she had known her mother, she would of helped shape Scout as a whole.
Atticus and Aunt Alexandra thought that it was the right thing to do to make the kids aunt stay with them. Atticus thought it was important for them to become more proper and for Scout to become more lady like. I also sensed that Scout needed a motherly influence. Atticus and Aunt Alexandra believe that family is important. Because of this belief Aunt Alexandra will be the motherly influence needed in the Finch household. her presence will probably shape Scout into a young lady.
I agree that Scout seems to need a motherly influence to help her understand who she is. However, I am wondering how much of that influence was attained through Calpurnia's presence. I think Calpurnia has been a great "mother" for Scout even if she hasn't given Scout everything a mother could have.
DeleteSarah and Abby I agree with both of you. I think that Scout is very independent and doesn't always need a mother figure, but when she does need one Calpurnia was there for her. Aunt Alexandra can be a little pushy and get mad at Scout for her personality and being more of a tomboy.
DeleteI agree with Abby. I am very curious how much of an influence Scout is getting from the women in her life. I believe she can look up to Calpurnia as a mother because she has always been there for her and has taught her important lessons that mothers teach their daughters. However, other than Calpurnia, I'm not too sure who she can look up to in life. She has a lot of women in the community that she can look up to like Miss Maudie but she also has people like Stephanie Crawford who I believe wouldn't be the best influence on her.
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ReplyDeleteI disagree you Rory. In this case, Aunt Alexandra is correct. Although, they are just kids, and acting lady and gentleman like might be a stretch, it does not excuse them from acting just around family members. By acting like this, it would not change who they are, it would simply educate them on how behave in certain situations.
Delete“‘Stop that noise,’ Atticus said. His curtness stung me. The comb was midway in its journey, and I banged it down. For no reason I felt myself beginning to cry, but I could not stop. This was not my father. My father never thought these thoughts. My father never spoke so. Aunt Alexandra had put him up to this, somehow. Through my tears I saw Jem standing in a similar pool of isolation, his head cocked to one side.” p178 ch13
ReplyDeleteAtticus is being forced into telling Jem and Scout to act like a lady and a gentleman, which is very unlike him. Aunt Alexandra is staying with the Finches and is trying to change who Scout is, through Atticus.
I think that Aunt Alexandra is the kind of person who needs everything to be her way, and will do anything to get it. How could Alexandra think she is doing the right thing? I wonder. Changing someone based on what you want is an extremely selfish thing to do and I find it troubling that Atticus does not stop her. Unfortunately, selfishness is abundant in today’s society. Unchecked selfishness goes on all the time in our world today. People do unkind acts for their own gain almost every day. I read an interesting article recently about how some people are naturally inclined to work for themselves and not care for others.
This scene connects to the theme of the importance of home and family in To Kill a Mockingbird. Aunt Alexandra is creating a rift between Atticus, Jem, and Scout through her acts of selfishness. Family is the most important thing in the world and Atticus knows that. Jem, Scout, and Atticus are a close family who should not be shaken by Alexandra.
I don't think Alexandra is being selfish at all. On the contrary, I believe she is looking out for Scout just as much as she's trying to preserve the family name. She simply wants Scout to grow up to be what Alexandra deems to be "right." On the other hand, she could also be doing it solely for selfish reasons too...
DeleteI agree!!! I finally found someone who agrees with me. Aunt Alexandra isn't looking out for Scout or Jem. She's simply looking out for the family's name. Yes, she wants to preserve the family name, Abby, but her way of doing so is completely wrong. Scout and Jem should be free thinkers, according to Atticus. This may be a risky move, but the only possibility for change to occur is when people take risks and think out of the box. Atticus is the one truly looking out for his children.
DeleteI do not agree with Aunt Alexandra's actions. I feel she had no right stepping into another family's business based on her personally beliefs. I think she had good intentions but she made her self look like the bad guy.
DeleteI agree with Rory and Maria because it does really seem that Aunt Alexandra is just looking out for their family name and not for Scout and Jem. Aunt Alexandra does seem to be very selfish in this scene. However, I also see where Abby is coming from because Aunt Alexandra may be looking out for Scout by helping her grow up in the right or normal way of that time.
Delete“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of generations’ gentle breeding-” Chapter 13 Page 177
ReplyDeleteIn this quote from the book, Atticus is speaking to Jem and Scout and he is explaining to them that the Finch family has made their name known throughout several generations, and that they aren’t just ordinary people. Aunt Alexandra has come to visit their family, and she is very unimpressed by how little Jem and Scout know about their family heritage. She asked Atticus to tell his kids about the family’s history so they will understand that they need to preserve and protect the Finch name.
Similarly to how Atticus and Aunt Alexandra try to teach Jem and Scout about their family, my parents taught me about my family history. They wanted me to learn all about my ancestry. I agree with Atticus and Aunt Alexandra because taking pride in family history is very important and I think it applies to everyone. I know personally, my parent’s and grandparent’s experiences have helped to shape me as a person. They defined and strengthened my morals and values.
This scene has to do with the importance of home and family. Atticus and Alexandra find it necessary to have Jem and Scout learn more about their family’s past. The kids know very little regarding this topic, despite the fact that is such a vital thing to know about. I think that by learning about your family’s past, it can help you to better understand aspects of your life today.
I see your point that one should take pride in their family history, but I disagree with the fact that you should be obligated to preserve/protect your name. I believe that one shouldn't feel pressured to live up to the expectations of their ancestors and shouldn't be looked down upon for having their own unique ambitions in life.
Delete“...you should try to live up to your name--”
ReplyDeleteAtticus recites Aunt Alexandra’s mantra here to Jem and Scout telling them that, in an essence, they are embarrassing the family name. Later, after making Scout cry and hurting Jem’s feelings, Atticus realizes how this goes against his teachings and comforts them saying they can be whoever they want to be.
I’m surprised that Atticus is so influenced by his sister, Aunt Alexandra, that his own views on manners and reputation are distorted. It does not seem like Atticus at all to tell his children to become people they’re not. Generally, Atticus values the individual and what they bring forth without people telling them who to be. This is why he allows Scout to act like a boy if she wishes. Atticus believes that by subduing to the outside influences of other’s wishes, a person gives up their real talents. They give up talents that nobody can tell them to have. Accordingly, he believes that by going against what people tell one to do, and by following one’s dreams, one will show true courage and will be rewarded for it. (Pg. 177, Paragraph 10)
I agree with your blog, but I believe that it isn't that Atticus' views of his children are distorted because of Alexandra. I believe that Alexandra is forcing Atticus to say these things in the hope that Scout and Jem will change their ways. Although Alexandra might not confront Atticus, she definitely is manipulating him to say these things to his children. You are 100% correct, this just isn't like Atticus
DeleteI agree with you Abby to some extent- Atticus respects his sister, so he trusts her word in the matter, however, Alexandra seems to be a little bit manipulative and I am not surprised that she had convinced Atticus to go against his beliefs towards his kids. I am not surprised that he made a redemption to them either.
DeleteI agree with your views Sonny. I think that as most people do Atticus respects his sister and believes she wants what she believes to be best for his family. However, her methods of doing this do appear to be manipulative. It is interesting how Atticus is behaving differently from how he has been acting in the past.
DeleteI feel as though Atticus is blinded by the fact that Alexandra is his sister. Alexandra is manipulating him into doing her bidding and he is not contradicting her only because she is his sister.
Delete“...the longer a family had been squatting on one patch of land the finer it was.”
ReplyDeleteThis is Aunt Alexandra’s opinion on what makes a respectable family.
Aunt Alexandra grows up in Alabama where farming has been the predominant form of occupation for an incredibly long time. When farming, the land is used many times in a row. This gave way, in part, to the reasoning that families should live on the same land generation after generation. Aunt Alexandra values this proposition as shown when she decides to reside on Finch’s Landing even after her two brothers moved away from it to find better jobs. Since she still lives there, she considers herself to be better than anybody who does not own their ancestors land. This kind of thinking and set of values is much different than what we believe today in the North of the country because we don’t farm here anymore. Atticus and Jack don’t agree with her either because they have moved from Finch’s Landing as well.
This also shows the importance of the home to people in Maycomb County. They believe that the home is more important than food, even, in some circumstances. For example, Walter Cunningham doesn’t work for the WPA because he doesn’t want to abandon his land. Consequently, his family becomes very poor and barely has enough food to eat. Alexandra and many people in Maycomb, therefore, believe the home to be unquestionably the most important thing they own. People who don’t value the home may be looked down upon by those who do, as shown by Aunt Alexandra’s behavior. (Pg. 173, Paragraph 3)
“Gentle breeding,” he continued, when I had found and scratched it, “and that you should try to live up to your name--” Atticus persevered in spite of us: “She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentleman that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly,” he concluded at a gallop. Pg. 177-178
ReplyDeleteIn this scene, Atticus shares Aunt Alexandra’s thoughts to Jem and Scout on how they should behave as Finch children. Aunt Alexandra, Atticus’ sister, believes the children should live up to the family name and carry it out for many generations.
I strongly disagree with Aunt Alexandra. She is stuck in the old, southern way of thinking and doesn’t realize that the only way for our country to move forward from the great injustice of racism is to raise children who think differently from their ancestors. Atticus recognizes this, for he thinks much differently than his sister does. He wants his children to be free thinkers and to be themselves. My parents always remind me on how I’m very unique and how I think differently from them. They don’t expect me to think like them or to do the same things they do. They say it in a positive way because they understand making me someone who I’m not is not going to make me happy and may squash any possibility for me to make my own contribution or mark on this world.
The theme that connects to this scene is the importance of home and family. It’s important to be individualistic. It’s very unhealthy for history to repeat itself, especially during this time period. If Scout and Jem act appropriately in Aunt Alexandra’s perspective, they won’t be able to express their thoughts or opinions on anything. This is seen when Atticus is feeling pressure from his sister to make his children conform to the Finch’s ideology.
ReplyDelete“She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Macomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly.” pg. 177-178
In this scene, Atticus is talking to Jem and Scout about Aunt Alexandra’s thoughts. Atticus is acting in a different way just because his sister is worried about what others could say about Jem and Scout’s behavior or little things like Atticus is letting them drink soda. First Atticus had Alexandra’s thoughts, even though she is his sister, Atticus doesn’t have the same point of view. Then he is reflecting about his attitude towards the children.
In comparison to today, some parents have certain care about their children’s behavior but do not let the rest of the family judge their thoughts or rules. For example in my family only my parents decide about my rules and behavior as same as my sisters. Despite my grand parents, aunts, and uncles don’t agree with my parents decision, my family have to respect what they say to me.
The theme that connect to this scene is the importance of home and family. Atticus is between a rock and a hard place. For one side, Jem and Scout are so important to him. Atticus doesn’t want them to distrust or hate him because of the way he is acting thanks to Aunt Alexandra thoughts. For the other side, Alexandra is his sister and Atticus either wants her to thinks that he doesn’t care about she says or feels uncomfortable at home.
Aunt Alexandra seems to be more focused on the family name and how the rest of Maycomb County sees their family. She's pressuring Atticus to use new rules on his kids and make the whole family look picture perfect.
DeleteI believe that Aunt Alexandra is simply to focused on unimportant things like a family's reputation. Atticus should not need to change his views on how he is raising his children because his sister does not want to tarnish the family name. I think that Atticus should focus on what is more important which is raising his children rather than focusing too much on what Aunt Alexandra thinks is correct behavior.
DeleteI feel that Alexandra has truly gotten comfortable very fast in a short amount of time , and this is because she feels as if it is okay to tell Atticus the " Right way " of teaching the kids . But in reality it's only because she doesn't want to be a disappointment to the family name.
Delete“...Son, you know you’re a Finch, don’t you?” Chapter 13 page 177
ReplyDeleteIn this conversation, Atticus is speaking to Jem and questioning him about his behavior lately. Atticus is letting Jem know that he cannot act rude or disrespectful because he is a Finch. The way that Jem acts is the way people will think he was raised so, if he acts disrespectful, it reflects on his whole family.
I agree and I also disagree. I agree with what Aunt Alexandra told Atticus to tell his children but, I do not think that it is Aunt Alexandra’s place to be telling Atticus about how to raise his kids. I also do not think that Atticus should have said “You know you’re a Finch, don't you?” Saying that makes maybe the Finch’s seem superior in Jems mind and could make him act even more rude. I was at my seventh birthday party. It was all about me that day and the power had got to my head. I had told my mom to shut up. She was very upset and pulled me aside and told me to never say that or treat her with disrespect. I now know that I have to treat people with respect and be a good representation of my family.
The theme that this scene represents this conversation is the importance of home and family. Atticus is explaining to Jem that he has to be respectful to everyone or it will reflect badly on his family because what people think of you affects how people see your family. Atticus is trying to teach Jem and Scout about respect and how much family should mean to you.
Francesca, I agree with you. I think that Alexandra's thoughts were in the right place, however it was not her place to tell Atticus how to raise his kids. I don't think that the way Atticus approached talking to his kids was the best way, but in the end he figured out how to get his message across in the best way- to be themselves.
DeleteI understand where Atticus is coming from. I personally can not relate to it because my parents did not put a big influence on our family name. My parents focused more on my individuality, not on our family name.
DeleteI agree with you, Francesca. Alexandra is a new member in the house and she needs to ease her way into things. Although, she is an adult so she does deserve some respect. I like your text-to-self connection as well. I like how it ties together with the theme, good job.
Delete“Aunty had a way of declaring What Is Best For The Family, and I suppose her coming to live with us was in that category.” page 171
ReplyDeleteIn chapter 13, Aunt Alexandra and Atticus have decided that it would be best for the children if she were to move in and help to raise them. Here, Scout is talking about how she thinks that moving in was more Aunt Alexandra’s idea than Atticus’ idea.
I feel that Aunt Alexandra is helping out the family, because she believes that Atticus isn’t teaching Jem and Scout how to be a proper young lady and gentleman. In today’s time, many single parents will call in family members or hire a nanny to help with their children, but sometimes the person helping is teaching the child more than the parent is. The importance of home and family is present in this chapter, because Atticus only wants the best for Jem and Scout and he thinks that by bringing in a mother figure it will help Jem to become more of a gentleman and Scout to become more ladylike and girly. Atticus loves both of them very much and will do anything to make sure that they can grow and learn.
I agree that Atticus wants to bring in a mother figure , and trying to teach them to the proper young lady and gentlemen ,and I like the quote you used.
DeleteI agree with both of you, Atticus wants to bring a Aunty Alexandra into the family to change the way they act in a positive way, like Aunty Alexandra's family did.
DeleteI agree with Sophia because these are some important lessons to teach your kids about being respectful and mature. Aunt Alexandra may have good intentions about raising Scout but, I think she is being a little too forceful with this process. She should encourage Scout to be kind, intelligent, mature and respectful but she should let her be her own person.
Delete"Well, your father and I decided that it was time I came to stay with you for a while." Page 169.
ReplyDeleteIn this scene, Jem and Scout are greeted by Aunt Alexandra and her bags, saying that she was going to stay for a while(which is said to be anywhere from 3 to 30 years in Maycomb time). Aunt Alexandra and Atticus decided that she was going to stay in the house to help take care of the kids.
My personal opinion of why she wants to help take care of the kids is because she does not like the way that Atticus is teaching Jem and Scout on how to be a young lady and gentlemen. Because of Jem turning twelve and Scout also growing up, the importance of home and family is needed through the times that they are going through. Because of Atticus's controversial decision to defend for Tom Robinson in his case, Alexandra feels that she needs to go in and help teach the kids how to be "proper ladies and gentlemen."
The importance of home and family is a very important role in today's society mainly because of parents leaving children at a young age and the children ending up not having the proper role model they need. While Atticus in my opinion has to "leave" in order to take care of Tom, Jem and Scout need the care from a relative in order to continue their lives.
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ReplyDeleteAtticus answered both questions in the affirmative.
ReplyDelete“How’d you like for her to come live with us?”
I said I’d like that very much, which was a lie, but one must lie under certain circumstances and at all times when one can’t do anything about them. Page 171
In this scene, Atticus asks Scout if she would like it if Aunt Alexandra lived with that Finch family for more than just a visit. Scout replies with a yes, but she lies through her teeth. She lies because she knows in some situations you must lie or else the other’s feeling will be hurt. Obviously, a sly “no” would hurt Atticus because that means his own daughter despises his sister.
This is a lesson that my parents stressed to me as I grew up, and was around Scout’s age. They taught me to never lie, and being a wise guy I always would bring up situations where it is actually the right thing to lie. So, their new rule that I lived by was never lie unless someones feelings will be hurt. Clearly, this is a rule that Scout abides by in this scene. For example, if a girl asks if they look ugly, no matter what, you never say yes. It’s common sense… and if you do tell the truth, then someone will be hurt.
This situation connects to the theme of family. In a tight-knit family, they always know what to tell each other. Scout knows that if she reveals to Atticus that she isn't fond of his sister, he will be upset. Because of the love felt within their family, it is clear that Scout doesn’t want her father sad about something she said.
Yes I agree with you Teddy. Scout lied to agree with her dad and it was the most polite thing to do. Atticus was absent most of the time so Scout said that to make things easier. Also Scout did not argue because she knew it would not make a difference and would only make matters worse.
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ReplyDelete“It was plain that Auntie thought me dull in the extreme, because I once her tell Atticus that I was sluggish.” Chapter 13 page 170
In this text, Scout is thinking aloud. She is unable to relate to her older aunt and realizes her aunt’s disapproval in her. Scout is not happy that her aunt has come to live with her. She is used to the things are with her, Jem and Calpurnia.
I can relate to this text in my life today. I feel sometimes my aunts do not understand how my life is different from theirs. I believe that Scout was correct in feeling this way because her aunt was from a generation and was raised a different.
The theme that connects to this scene is generational gap. Scouts aunt was raised in a time where women were judge for their manners and the way they dressed. Also the way the hosted lunches. Scout only could relate to where she was in her life now. Scout did not care about social status.
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DeleteI agree with you, and I like the fact that you gave a example of your life today to explain your opinion.
DeleteI agree with you Liam. I like your text-to-self connection and sometimes also feel that my aunts don't understand me. I don't think Scout wants a change and she if fine just the way things are. Changes can be tough but she is going to have to deal with it. Good job.
Delete“Stop that noise,” Atticus said… I know now what he was trying to do, but Atticus was only a man. It takes a woman to do that kind of work. Chapter 13, page 178-179
ReplyDeleteIn these scene, Aunt Alexandra is a fanatic about family heritage and she badgers Atticus into explaining the importance of "gentle breeding" to the children. But when Scout is reduced to tears during his lecture, Atticus tells them to "Forget it."
How could Aunt Alexandra tell Atticus to kind of try to change the way Jem and scout are. I think it is very snoopy in the way Atticus is educating his children. Atticus is a good man and takes back what he said to Scout and Jem and tell them to forget about what he said. He realises that maybe the kids will suffer if he puts them in a situation like Aunt Alexandra wanted.
The theme that connects to this scene is the true definition of courage. It takes a lot of courage to do what Atticus did with Jem and Scout. Atticus just wanted what is the best for his children. Atticus is not used to talking to the children like that and at the end he ends up scaring them. He realizes that it is best if they learn as the time goes.
Related to the theme, the true definition of courage is a good choice for this quote. Also, I think that the importance of home and family could be a good theme in addition to your thoughts. Atticus is taking decisions on his kids and also on Alexandra’s thoughts which involves family. However, I like the way you explain the theme.
Delete“Stop that noise,” Atticus said… I know now what he was trying to do, but Atticus was only a man. It takes a woman to do that kind of work. Chapter 13, page 178-179
ReplyDeleteIn these scene, Aunt Alexandra is a fanatic about family heritage and she badgers Atticus into explaining the importance of "gentle breeding" to the children. But when Scout is reduced to tears during his lecture, Atticus tells them to "Forget it."
How could Aunt Alexandra tell Atticus to kind of try to change the way Jem and scout are. I think it is very snoopy in the way Atticus is educating his children. Atticus is a good man and takes back what he said to Scout and Jem and tell them to forget about what he said. He realises that maybe the kids will suffer if he puts them in a situation like Aunt Alexandra wanted.
The theme that connects to this scene is the true definition of courage. It takes a lot of courage to do what Atticus did with Jem and Scout. Atticus just wanted what is the best for his children. Atticus is not used to talking to the children like that and at the end he ends up scaring them. He realizes that it is best if they learn as the time goes.
“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of generations’ gentle breeding-” Page 177
ReplyDeleteIn this scene of the story, Atticus is explaining to Scout and Jem how the family name of Finch has been established over several generations. Therefore, it must continue to be worn with pride and accompanied with good behavior. Aunt Alexandra is unhappy with the behavior she sees in Jem and Scout. She believes they must behave more like young ladies and gentlemen to keep a good Finch family name.
I can comprehend that there is some importance in family name’s and I understand Aunt Alexandra’s point of view however I do not agree with it. There is no reason to be angry at Scout because she does not dress like a proper young lady all of the time. Scout is still a child and as a child she should be allowed to get her clothes muddy without being disapproved by her aunt. I believe that although one should know of their families history and be mindful and respectful towards it. Each and every person will shape their own future and their families past should not need to affect them.
This section of the story relates to the theme of the importance of home and family. Aunt Alexandra is trying to impress upon the children how important a family's name and reputation is. However, Scout has trouble understanding this and hopes that her father will not continue to inforce what Aunt Alexandra believes.
I strongly agree with you that Scout is still just a young girl who is in the process of self-discovery, and shouldn't be reprimanded for acting in a way that doesn't "fit" with the family name. People have the right to live their own lives and not follow the path others lay before them.
Delete“She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentlemen that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly.” page 177~178
ReplyDeleteAtticus was telling the message from Aunt Alexandra to Scout and Jem. Atticus was talking to them about they should behave and learn the way that they are from. I think that Scout and Jem should be respectful and good adult as Atticus and Aunt Alexandra.
I strongly agree with Atticus and Aunt Alexandra because they are trying to teach Scout and Jem how to become a great adult and how to behave like adult. This is similar to my life, my parent want me to become respectful adult and to be a nice person. Sometime my parent teach me how to be respectful and behave like Atticus and Aunt Alexandra has teach Scout and Jem.
This scene connects to the theme of theme of the importance of home and family. Atticus and Aunt alexandra are supporting Scout and Jem so Scout and Jem can became behaved adult. As they grow up, they are learning more from Atticus and Aunt Alexandra. So family is very important for Scout and Jem because Atticus and Jem are trying help them become great adult.
I enjoy your perspective on this scene. Most would say the opposite and claim that Alexandra is out of line, but you backed up your opinion very well. To some extent, Alexandra should let Jem and Scout grow up with their own personality but I like the fact that she is involved.
DeleteI very well indeed like how you supported your opinion. I agree with you and Teddy because you cannot force someone to be how you want them to be but you can encourage them.
DeleteI like how you give your own personal example to support your opinion on how Atticus and Alexandra are wanting to teach the kids and I agree with you.
DeleteI like how you give your own p.o.v of whats going on and how Atticus and Alexandra help the kids, to become well behaved and mature.
Delete"Gentle breeding - and that you should try to live up to your name " Pg 117.
ReplyDeleteIn this scene Atticus is trying to explain to Jem to try and be like the men in his family .
I feel that the only real reason Atticus is asking this of Jem is because his sister Alexandra is making him do it. In the present this is known as peer pressure . Which has been able to do a lot in the past , and do a lot damage to people .
This scene shows the importance of family by Atticus trying to explain and teach Jem that he has to grow up and become the man he was meant to be . Although I am not a hundred percent on board with Atticus' thinking . I know that it must be also hard for Jem to try to fill in the footsteps of his father and other men in his family .
“She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentlemen that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly.” He concluded at a gallop. Ch. 13 page 177-178
ReplyDeleteIn this scene Atticus is telling Scout and Jem a message that Aunt Alexandra has for them. Atticus is saying that Scout and Jem should learn about their family name and how they should live up to it. The Finch family is very respectful and both Jem and Scout should learn to behave respectfully and act a bit more mature.
I agree with Atticus and Aunt Alexandra. They are trying to raise Scout and Jem to their fullest potential. Both Atticus and his sister take pride in their ancestry and want Scout and Jem to live up to that. In order to do so, they need to teach them to behave well and be respectful. My life is very similar as well as my relationship with my parents and with my siblings.They want me to grow up to be very respectful and intelligent. So every once and a while, my parents would tell me a story or teach me a lesson just like Atticus does to Scout and Jem.
This scene ties in with the theme of the importance of home and family. Atticus and Alexandra want whats best for Scout and Jem and they want to see them grow up to be a well behaved adults. Although Scout may see Aunt Alexandra as being mean, that is only because she doesn't see that Alexandra just wants to raise her to be a well behaved young lady. Family is becoming very important to Scout and Jem and as they are growing older because Atticus and Aunt Alexandra are trying to transform them to be very disciplined adults
“Atticus, is all this behavin’ an’ stuff gonna make things different? I mean are you-?”
ReplyDeleteI felt his hand on the back of my head.
“Don’t you worry about anything,” he said. “It’s not time to worry.”
When I heard that, I knew he had come back to us. page 178
In this scene, Scout is asking Atticus if having Aunt Alexandra live with them for a while will make things different. At that moment, Atticus realizes that he has been hard on the kids. He has been trying to change his children to live up to his sisters expectations, but now decides that they should be who he raised them to be.
Aunt Alexandra is thoroughly introduced for the first time in this chapter. She is Atticus’ sister and wants everything to be her way. Aunt Alexandra tries to force Jem and Scout to be who she envisions the perfect child to be. She does not allow them to be themselves. I believe that this is quite rude of her because it is Atticus’ responsibility to raise his children and he is doing a great job. My grandmother occasionally tells my mother how to parent my little sisters. This is similar to the scene in the book because like Aunt Alexandra, it is not right for my grandmother to tell my mom what to do.
The theme that connects to this scene is mainly the importance of home and family. Atticus, Jem and Scout are extremely close and are always looking out for eachother. When Aunt Alexandra comes to live in their household, her presence begins to divide the family apart. In this scene, Atticus perceives what is happening and soon changes his actions toward his children. I think that Atticus is an amazing father. He may make mistakes sometimes but so does everybody else.
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DeleteI agree with you all the way . I feel that it is not Alexandra's place to tell the children how to act . It is up to Atticus in how he wants his children to be brought up.
“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not from run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of several generations’ gentle breeding—”
ReplyDeleteAtticus paused, watching me locate an elusive redbug on my leg.
“Gentle breeding,” he continued, when I had found and scratched it, “and that you should try to live up to your name—” Atticus persevered in spite of us: “She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentleman that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly,” he concluded at a gallop.” P.177-P.178
This scene from To Kill a Mockingbird expresses that Atticus respects his sister’s opinion enough to talk to his kids about their behavior based on what she had said to him. It is clear that the family name of the Finch’s is quite high-society, however it isn’t hard to tell that Scout and Jem’s behavior isn’t completely high-society.
I do not believe that it was right of Alexandra to tell Atticus how to raise his kids, and I do not agree with the fact that Atticus told his children to act based upon their name. This resulted in Scout crying because she was so hurt that Atticus would try to change her, and Atticus soon realized that it was wrong to try and change his children based on what his sister had told him to do. This expresses the theme of importance of home and family to Scout because she is hurt that Atticus tried to change her, and his opinion matters to her.
I witnessed a friend being bullied because of the job that her mother had been occupied, which was not right. I now know that people should never be judged based on their surrounding, because the girl that was bullied was very kind and intelligent, and so was her mother.
Many incidents nowadays throughout the world is there people that’re performing wrong-doings based on the way they judge others. For example,
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/07/24/odd.names/index.html?iref=hpmostpop
this link shows a girl embarrassed of her name, and it’s because of the way people treat her. It’s so sad to think that people are making others go so far as to change their name because of bullying.
I agree with you in paragraph five, but I feel that it's more Alexandra who bullies Atticus into talking to his kids about their heritage and behavior. In my opinion, Scout begins to cry because she is confused by her father's behavior. Wouldn't you be confused if one day your parents started randomly voicing opinions that seem inconsistent with what they've told you before?
Delete“We decided that it would be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won’t be many years, Jean Louise, before you become interested in clothes and boys “ Pg:170 L: 1
ReplyDeleteAunt Alexandra came to Maycomb, to give Scout a feminine influence but Scout thinks why Calpurnia can be a feminine influence, Scout thinks that it will be many years before she would be interested in boys. But she kept that question later for Atticus. Aunt Alexandra was going to be staying with the family for a while in the house
I am strongly disagree with Aunt Alexandra, she is trying to form Scout into a proper girl. She has a strong idea of what Finch women should be like, based upon years of family tradition, and tries to impose this on Scout.
The themes that connect to this scene is the damage done by racism in accordance with Aunt Alexandra she has the idea of "Fine Folks”. She tries to explain to Scout that discrimination also exist in white families.
People are not judged on their own qualities, but rather on stereotypes about his family. Aunt Alexandra also sounds like racist saying to Scout that black people can be treated like white families.
“Jem’s growing up now and you are too,” she said to me. “We decided that it would be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won’t be many years, Jean Louise, before you become interested in clothes and boys—” Pg 170
ReplyDeleteIn this scene, Aunt Alexandra explains to Scout why she came to live with them. Aunt Alexandra wants Scout to become more of a women. Scout likes hanging around with boys and playing boyish games.
I feel that Scout is already turning into a girl. I am not clear about this but when Dill sends Scout a letter from Meridian pg 154 Dill tells Scout that he loves her so much. Scout even says "The Fact that I had a permanent fiancé was little compensation for his absence." shows that she was interested in boys.
The theme here is the importance in family. Aunt Alexandra came for Jem and Scout to become respectful and well adults.
I agree with you 100% i did the same quote, and i think the reason why Aunt Alexander come to stay Atticus' family is because she is turning into a girl and Aunt Alexander want to teach how to behavior before she go out with boys.
Delete“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not from run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of several years of gentle breeding-” (...) “ Live up to your name-” ( bottom of page 177)
ReplyDeleteIn this scene Atticus is explaining to Jem and Scout what Aunt Alexandra has been telling him. She thinks that Jem and Scout need to start living up to their name and, “Acting like the little lady and gentlemen that they are.”
Scout was really annoyed with Atticus telling them that because she knew that was not really how he felt, it was Aunt Alexandra. I wonder why Atticus feels the need to say these things to Jem and Scout if he doesn't believe it. I can relate to Scout a little because when I was younger, before I left to go to my friends house my mom always told me to mind my manners. I always knew to be polite and say please and thank you and never call a parent by their first name. Even though I knew this she always wanted to remind me so I would make my family look good.
The the the importance of home and family was shown in this section because Aunt Alexandra is very proud of the family name and does not want anyone to go and ruin it. While living in Atticus’ house she feels the need to fix and change anything and everything that is not right in her eyes.
“We felt it was time you children needed-well it’s like this, Scout,” Atticus said. “Your aunt’s doing me a favor as well as you all. I can’t stay here all day with you, and the summers going to be a hot one.” ( Page 171)
ReplyDeleteIn this situation Atticus is explaining to Scout why Aunt Alexandra must stay with them while Atticus is away. Aunt Alexandra is doing Atticus a favor and is helping him with his children.
I think that this was a kind thing of Aunt Alexandra to do. Especially since Scouts father is working on the Tom Robinson case which has him stressed out and had an emergency session that caused him to leave for two weeks. This is similar to my family, whenever a family member of mine goes on a trip and needs help we rely on eachother. For example when my aunt had to go visit her ill mother my cousin stayed with us. We rely on each other and are there for eachother when in need.
This scene represents the theme of the importance of family. Aunt Alexandra leaves her home and family behind to help her brother Atticus and his family. She also shows a pride in her family and says they should want to live up to the Finch name. Aunt Alexandra insists Atticus should teach them of their family’s history.
“I wants to know why you bringin’ white chillun to nigger church… You ain’t got no business bringin’ white chillun here-they got their church, we got our’n. It’s our church, ain’t it, Miss Cal?” (page 158 chapter 12)
ReplyDeleteIn this scene Jem and Scout accompany Calpurnia to church. She takes them to an all black church, First Purchase. As they enter they are rudely greeted by a member of the church Lula. Lula states to Calpurnia that Jem and Scout have no reason to be present in the church.
I find this scene to be disrespectful and disturbing because I strongly believe all people should be treated equally no matter their race or ethnicity. This scene shows the segregation, racism and discrimination that took place back then. Not only were these problems seen back then but today they are still present. On March 13th Huffington post wrote an article about a woman, Saadia Mosbah who is currently the head of a group M’nemty. This group is an active group which fights racial discrimination. Saadia Mosbah has experienced many racist and stereotypical comments. As a flight attendant she has had the experience of 2 colleagues of hers whom didn't want to travel with her because they said “It’s degrading to fly under the command of an Ousifa”, referring to the fact she is a black woman.
The theme of damage done by racism is represented in this scene. Lula a grown adult member of the church made a racist comment towards two young children whom were not harming anyone. She refers to the fact that they have their own church, revealing that because of the damage of racism two separate churches were built. This scene shows the extent of how certain characters/people felt during this time.
I agree with you Joanna,
DeleteI think Lula's comment was disrespectful and unnecessary. She shouldn't have said that. Especially because they were Calpurnia's guests and they were children. Church should be a safe place for everyone of every skin color because they all believe in the same God.
Joanna & Shayla, would you please copy and paste your comments into the chapter 12 page and delete them from here? Thanks!
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ReplyDelete"'How'd you like for her to come live with us?' I said I would like it very much, which was a lie, but one must lie under certain circumstances and at all times when one can't do anything about them." page 171
ReplyDeleteIn this scene Atticus asks Scout if she would like for Aunt Alexandra to live with them. Scout agrees to the idea in fear of hurting her father's feelings. Scout explains that in certain situations one must lie one another person's feelings are jeopardy.
I completely agree with Scout's logic in this chapter. Of course lying isn't the go to move in any circumstance, but, you may have to lie when someone's feelings are at stake. Everyone was taught not to lie as a child. However, as people mature they begin to realize that there are certain times when one must lie. For example, if your mother just finished cooking a five hour meal what are you going to say? No matter how it tastes you're going to say you love it. No one wants to lie to their mother, but, sometimes you have to.
The theme in this chapter is the importance of home and family. It doesn't matter if you hate your aunt, cousin, uncle, whatever. Family is family and you love them through thick and thin. Scout understands this so tells her father what he wants to hear... she loves her aunt.
“ We decided that it would be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won’t be many years, Jean Louise, before you become interested in clothes and boys-” Page 170
ReplyDeleteIn this scene, Aunt Alex and Jeremy Atticus are talking, Aunt Alexandra are saying that she and Atticus had a conversation, the both end up to be the best for Jen would be that Aunt Alex will stay with Atticus and his family for a while.
I think that Atticus's sister, Alexandra comes to stay with Atticus because she feels Scout needs a stronger female influence in her life. Jem is entering adolescence, which means Scout is not far behind him. To Alexandra's way of thinking it would be easier on Atticus and in Scout's best interest if a female relative was there in the house with them.
The theme that connects to this scene is the importance of home and family. Aunt Alexandra came to live with the Finch family in order to adjust their behaviors to make them more like other peoples behaviors around the community and to show that Jem and Scout can act like the lady and gentleman they are. Aunt Alexandra is a very polite, calm, and a well-put-together individual. There may be many positive things about Aunt Alexandra, but a negative about her is that she doesn't respect coloured people the same way that she white people.
“It was a sad thing that my father had neglected to tell me about the Finch Family, or to install any pride into his children.” Chapter 13 Page 176
ReplyDeleteIn this scene from the book, Scout is thinking to herself and she is reflecting on her Aunt’s disapproval of how little the children know about their heritage.
I strongly agree with Scout’s thoughts. I believe that it is very important for one to understand their family’s past. Once you are able to understand your past, it is easier to understand aspects of your life, and the past can provide explanations for cultural beliefs and traditions.
Statistics show that 50 percent of Americans have never even researched their roots. This statistic is extremely shocking considering the role ancestry plays in one’s life. Nowaday, people are more concerned with the newest technologies rather than learning about where they came from.
This segment from the book relates to the importance of home and family. Alexandra takes pride in her heritage, and she wants to make sure that Scout and Jem realize what the Finch name has meant to the Maycomb community.
http://corporate.ancestry.com/press/press-releases/2007/12/survey-reveals-americans-surprising-lack-of-family-knowledge/
It's astonishing how many people even today do not know their roots and heritage. I completely agree and understand that Scout and Jem don't know everything about their family history because they are still so young. This aggravates Alexandra because she takes pride in their ancestry, but she should teach the children rather than getting mad that they don't know it.
Delete“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not from run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of several generations’ gentle breeding—” Page 177
ReplyDeleteIn this scene, Atticus explains to Jem and Scout why Aunt Alexandra is so strict about how they present themselves. Aunt Alexandra believes that the children should be raised differently than Atticus and Calpurnia have been raising them.
I feel that Aunt Alexandra is so strict to Jem and Scout because she wants to uphold the positive Finch reputation. Alexandra is a very formal woman because she was raised in a very traditional way. When I was growing up, my parents would scold me if I ever talked back to an adult because they wanted to bestow good values in me. They wanted to teach me to behave properly when I was younger so that I would grow up to be a respectful person. I believe that although you want to present yourself well, you should not have to change or hide your true personality.
This scene connects to the theme of the importance of home and family. Alexandra cares deeply about both Jem and Scout, and she wants them to present themselves well because their actions reflect upon the entire Finch family. Scout doesn’t know that Lily Brooke is her cousin which embarasses Alexandra. Also, Jem only remembers the scandalous incident in which Cousin Joshua cost the family 500 dollars, but he doesn’t remember the book he wrote. Alexandra is annoyed that Scout and Jem to know who is a part of the Finch clan and be proud of their accomplishments.
“… but Aunt Alexandra was of the opinion, obliquely expressed, that the longer a family had been squatting on one patch of land the finer it was.” Page 173
ReplyDeleteScout narrates Alexandra’s beliefs about what makes a fine folks. Jem contradicts Alexandra by saying that if that is true, then the Ewells must be fine folks as well. Jem and Scout were raised to believe that fine folks were people that make the most of their situation.
Do you think that preferential treatment based upon how long a family has been part of a community?
In comparison to today, colleges tend to take into consideration whether or not an applicant is a legacy. If your family has gone to a college, you have an increased chance of getting in, and you are highly respected. I believe that a person should be accepted to college based purely on their own merits and not given special consideration if they are a legacy.
This article shows the difference in the acceptance of legacy students in comparison to regular students. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/25/opinion/end-college-legacy-preferences.html
This scene portrays the theme of importance of home and family. In the town of Maycomb, Alabama, people have very different ideas about what makes people fine folks. Alexandra thinks that the longer you stay on your family land, the finer person you are. Jem counters this by suggesting that if that were true the Ewells would be considered very fine people. This shows that you are taught that different things are more important by your family. Atticus Finch teaches Jem and Scout that a fine person is someone who tries to the best of their ability.
Lilia, I agree with you saying that colleges should not take whether or not a person is a legacy into consideration when they apply for college. It gives an unfair advantage to upper class citizens whose parents only got in because a long line of their ancestors gave the school money. A lower income person with great grades, perfect SAT scores, and who does extra-curricular activities could not get into a prestigious school because so many legacies apply.
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ReplyDelete“we decided that it would be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won’t be many years, Jean Louise before you become interested in clothes and boys--” Ch 13, page 170.
ReplyDeleteIn this scene, Aunt Alexandra wants Scout to grow up more like a woman because Scout most of the time dresses and plays games like a boy. Also aunt Alexandra came to stay for a while.
During this historical time period girls most likely use to act like boys. Back then things were different. In my opinion if I was a girl in the 1930’s I would probably would act more like a guy. Since everything wasn't that easy for girls.
The theme that connects to this scene is the importance of home and family. Aunt Alexandra came to live with them so that so she can try to make sure that Scout and Jem become more like adults, to take more responsibilities and respect because that's something really important to her and to always be on the right path.
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ReplyDelete"She never let a chance escape her to point out the shortcomings of other tribal groups to the glory of our own, a habit that amused Jem rather than annoyed him:" Ch.13 page 172
ReplyDeleteIn this paragraph Scout explains how Aunty Alexandra sticks up for what she believes in and how Jem admires how she does it.
The themes that connect to this paragraph are the true definition of courage and the importance of home and family. Aunty Alexandra wants to show them that you should stick for what you think it's right and speak your mind when needed. This shows how courageous she is by sticking up for herself. Today there are many protests that are occuring around the world for equal rights.
“There was indeed a caste system in Maycomb, but to my mind it worked this way: the older citizens, the present generation of people who had lived side by side for years and years, were utterly predictable to one another: they took for granted attitudes, character shadings, even gestures, as having been repeated in each generation and refined by time. Thus the dicta No Crawford Minds His Own Business, Every Third Merriweather Is Morbid, The Truth Is Not in the Delafields, All the Bufords Walk Like That, were simply guides to daily living: never take a check from a Delafield without a discreet call to the bank; Miss Maudie Atkinson’s shoulder stoops because she was a Buford; if Mrs. Grace Merriweather sips gin out of Lydia E. Pinkham bottles it’s nothing unusual- her mother did the same.” Page 175
ReplyDeleteIn this text, Scout is explaining how each last name labels a person/family in Maycomb, and people of the community use these labels as guides to living.
I wonder why Maycomb has such distinct stereotypes for different families. My inference would be that because it’s such a small town where everybody knows everybody, and the same families have stayed in Maycomb for many generations, certain character traits have stayed within families and are now associated with their last name and are known by the whole community. In the small town my family in Ecuador lives in, everybody knows everybody as well, but we see less of these stereotypes. Last names are usually associated with shops or land owned, who works for who, how big the family is, etc. In a city like New York City, however, people hardly know their next-door neighbors, so family stereotypes are almost never present.
A theme that can connect to this excerpt of the book is the importance of home and family. It’s clear that family plays a huge role in daily life of the people of Maycomb. Their last names “represent” who they are and how they act, and the community lives accordingly, such as not confiding in Mrs. Crawford because she is a total gossip.
This can also connect to the reason that Alexandra is in Maycomb. She thinks that Scout is not living up to the Finch name, and is trying to do something about it. The name of a person in Maycomb holds a lot of value, and being called a Finch is a lot better than being called a Haverford.
Delete"We decided that it would be best for you to have feminine influence. It won't be many years, Jean Lousie, before you become interested in clothes and boys-" said Aunt Alexandra (Page 170)
ReplyDeleteIn this scene Aunt Alexandra is explaining to Scout why she's staying with them for a while. Atticus and her thought it was a good idea to have a feminine influence on her. Aunt Alexandra and Atticus wanted the best for Scout and thought this would be the best for her.
I honestly disagree with Aunt Alexandra and Atticus. I believe they are trying to change Scout and I think that they should let her be who she wants to be. Scout desses like a boy and acts like one but they think she should be more feminine. I understand that they want the best for her but I don't think changing her is the answer. A lot of people have tried to change me to become a better person but it only makes me feel bad because it's saying that I'm not good enough.
This scene connect with the theme the importance of home and family. Even though I disagree with what they're doing they are trying to do the best for scout so she can become a better person, even though that might not help.
“... ‘and you should try to live up to your name-’ Atticus persevered in spite of us: ‘She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentleman that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly,’ he concluded at a gallop.” Pages 177-178.
ReplyDeleteIn this scene, Atticus is explaining to Jem and Scout how their aunt wants them to live up to their name and behave accordingly. Aunt Alexandra has a preoccupation with hereditary, so it’s important for her that her niece and nephew act as their ancestors acted.
I personally find it hard to relate to this, but I have a friend who feels the pressure to live up to his name. He has grown up in a very successful family, with his older brothers being elite athletes and even having one brother attend an Ivy League school. He wants to be able to live his own life without having to live up to expectations caused by his brothers, and both Jem and Scout also want to be themselves without being compared to their past family.
A theme that can connect to this scene is the importance of home and family. In Maycomb, the idea of living up to your name seems to greatly play a role in life, according to this scene. The Finches are known for being prosperous and dedicated, starting with Simon Finch, who died rich due to his medical practice, so it is expected of Scout and Jem, especially by their aunt, to live prosperous and dedicated lives as well.
“We decided that it might be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won't be many years, Jean Louise, before you become interested in clothes and boys.” Chapter 13, page 170
ReplyDeleteIn this scene Aunt Alexandria has come to see Scout and Jem, she believes that Scout needs some “girl” time because she is not what they believe to be a classy young lady.
I find this quote to be incredibly disturbing. The fact that there is something that Scout is expected to do in the sense of who she is and her beliefs upsets me. Scout should be able to dress however she wants and act how ever she wants (within reason) she is just a kid! In the 1930’s when this book takes place women were expected to act a certain way and do certain things, they did not have the same rights as men and were not treated equally. In the modern world a young woman would not be expected to dress a certain way, she could wear overalls if she wanted to. Also the fact that Aunt Alexandria said that you will be into boys as well upsets me. They are already telling her what she can and can not like. When this book was written it was not as acceptable to be gay as it is now. In modern society no one would tell her that she will like boys because she may not and that is perfectly fine, it is just the way you are born.
The themes that connect to this quote are the importance of family and the true definition of courage. Scout dresses how she wants and acts how she wants, she in a way protests for her own rights by not blending into society. She stands up for what she believes in and does not care what others think of her, that is true courage. It shows the importance of family because her family is coming to try and help her which shows they care and are there to help. Aunt Alexandria came from her town (Landing) in order to give Scout some “girl time” to try and mold her into the girl they want her to be. Although I don’t agree with what they are doing I do have to admit that it shows the importance of family because Aunt Alexandria is giving up her free time to “help” Scout.
I am completely on the same page as you. Even though Alexandra feels like she is doing the right thing, she is out of her boundaries, and is doing something that is helping nobody. Scout does not want her help and is annoyed by her presence. The fact that she is trying to completely change Scouts personality is terrible, and even though she thinks that she is doing the right thing, she is doing the opposite.
Delete"'Gentle breeding,' he continued, when I had found and scratched it, 'and that you should try to live up to your name--' Atticus persevered in spite of us: 'She asked me to tell you you must try to behave like the little lady and gentleman that you are. She wants to talk to you about the family and what it’s meant to Maycomb County through the years, so you’ll have some idea of who you are, so you might be moved to behave accordingly,' he concluded at a gallop." Page 177 & 178
ReplyDeleteIn this scene, Atticus shares Aunt Alexandra’s demands with Jem and Scout. to Jem and Scout Atticus tells them that Aunt Alexandra believes they should act a certain a way, being Finch children. According to her, being a Finch means living up to the family name and to act accordingly. on how they should behave as Finch children.
I disagree with Aunt Alexandra because Jem and Scout will mature on their own. They are still kids, and they shouldn't be forced to rush their childhood. It is also not her place to demand that her niece and nephew act a certain way. If Atticus truly agreed with Aunt Alexandra, he would've asked that of Jem and Scour a long time ago, and on his own.
This sections connects to the theme of home and family. Home and family is truly the basis of how you go about life. Your values and beliefs come from your home and family, which can affect the rest of your life. In this case, Aunt Alexandra's beliefs and values will strongly influence Jem and Scout.
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ReplyDeleteChapter 13: ..."the longer a family had been squatting on one patch of land the finer it was said Aunt Alexandra." "That makes the Ewells fine folks then said Jem." (Page 173)
ReplyDeleteIn this scene Aunt Alexandra shares her opinion of what fine land means.
The themes that relate to this scene are the importance of home and family. The Ewells are not the best family you could say. Robert Ewell is an alcoholic who spends government checks on alcohol instead of trying to help his family. I think that Aunt Alexandra is trying to say that sticking together as a family is very important. The Ewells have been squatting on their land for a very long time and it can only get longer. Mayella Ewell is the oldest daughter and has to play a big role in the family taking care of her siblings due to her fathers alcohol problem but the family still manages to stick together. Many families teach different things. Jem says that if that was true than the Ewells would be fine people but they are not the finest you could say.
I agree with Aunt Alexandra's statement. My family has a house in upstate New York that my Great-Grandfather build. I always feel great when I go there especially since my Great Grandfather build it. It is not very big but right on a lake and my family always seems to find a new adventure every time we visit. This house is very important to my family and I think that is finer than a mansion. Atticus teaches Jem and Scout that a fine person is anyone who tries their best to the best of their ability. I can see both sides and agree with both, nobody can exceed there best.
http://southoldlocal.com/2014/10/15/krupskis-farm-legacy-love-land-passed-four-generations/
DeleteI can relate to your statement about a family property that has been in the family for generations. My dad is from Michigan, and most of his family has lived there for quite a few generations. They have a house in Northern Michigan that the family shares for different parts of the summer, and when I go there I can feel the calm that drove my family to build there. I have a few great memories there, from snorkeling to find deer bones in the lake, to running on trains in the woods. It is the familiar aspect to a place that makes you feel like you belong there, and that is implemented by family ties.
“Aunty had a way of declaring What Is Best For The Family, and I suppose her coming to live with us was in that category.” page 171
ReplyDeleteThis is said by Scout, as a narrator when she realizes that her aunt is staying with her and her family for a while. She is frustrated that she will be forced out of her tomboyish lifestyle, and hard pressed into one of a lady.
Scout has never had any intention of being a lady. From her friends, to her ideas of what a fun summer day is like, Scout has always had the ideas of a young boy. To Aunt Alexandra, this is due to the lack of a feminine presence in her home, so she asserts herself as so. I agree with Aunt Alexandra on this in a small way. She sees Scout as a young girl who is just dying to express her feminism, but has no one to do so with. So, she makes herself available for Scout to do this, even though Scott never actually wanted to do this in the first place. But I strongly disagree with Alexandra forcing Scout into a lady. If she wants to be a tomboy, let her be a tomboy. I she ever has any desire to be feminine, she can always talk to Cal. As a child, I was never told by my parents that I had to do this because it is what boys do, even though I did do those things. But the option to express whatever part of you you want to show is a great thing.
This is a clear connection to the theme of the importance of family. From Alexandras point of view, she is helping a young girl express herself in a way that she never could before. That is a very ethical thing to do and I respect her for her decision to do so. But I do not agree with her just barging into the family without Scout actually showing any desire whatsoever to do these things. Alexandra is just trying to make Scout show what Alexandra thinks is the best of her, but is actually just annoying Scout. This also could somewhat connect to the true definition of courage. Alexandra is leaving her family behind to try to teach her brothers children what she thinks is the best way to live, and those actions in themselves are enough to make me respect her.
“Your aunt has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of several generations’ gentle breeding-” Page 177
ReplyDeleteI don’t believe it is Alexandra’s place to tell Atticus how to raise his children because Scout and Jem lack the sense of pride in their lineage that she likes to flaunt around. Aunt Alexandra believes people with the Finch name should behave well because bad behavior reflects on the family name. This was definitely the wrong way to approach this situation. Atticus respects his children and they respect him. Atticus initially considers having the children follow his sister’s edict on acceptable behavior for a Finch but he has a change of heart and tells them to forget everything about proper Finch behavior.
Being proud of ancestry and family has been an apparent theme throughout the novel. Each family's’ reputation comes from past events. The Radleys are seen as eccentric because they don’t interact much with the other residents of Maycomb. Personally I have a strong connection to heritage because of what I have been taught by my mother and maternal grandparents. Family always comes first and it is important to foster the bonds of extended family and heritage. Like Jem and Scout I have experienced loyalty, pride and the value of hard work from my family.
On PG# 171 Aunt Alexandra states, "We decided it would be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won't be many years, Jean Louise, before you became interested in clothes and boys."
ReplyDeleteIn this scene, Scout’s aunt, Alexandra, a classy women and Maycomb's talk of the town explains to scout that she eventually has to grow up and look up to her family name. Aunt Alexandra is constantly worried by the Finch’s family image, and she can’t let Scout tarnish it.
This quote can be tied to two common themes even in our modern society, The importance of family and growing up. An example of this today is in places like China where surnames are valued, respected and preserved for many generations.
“We decided that it might be best for you to have some feminine influence. It won't be many years, Jean Louise, before you become interested in clothes and boys.” Chapter 13, page 170
ReplyDeleteIn this scene aunt alexandra has come to see jem and scout , aunt alexandra thinks that scout needs some girl time because she is not what they believe to be a classy young gir.
In this scene scout is being told what she can and can not wear which bothers me. If scout believes in wearing overalls then she should be able to do it. Scout should do or dress however she feels she is just a kid.when the book was written in the 1930’s when it takes place women were not expected anything in the way they dress or act to some matter. In the real world today a women would not be told which shit she has to wear or she is not girly enough
The themes that connect to this quote are the importance of family and the true definition of courage. Scout dresses how she wants and acts the way she would like without being told otherwise. She does not care what other people think of her she only cares about what she thinks of her. It takes real courage to stand up for what she believes in especially in the hard time and conditions they are in. Although i don't agree or like what is happening it does show the importance of family because aunt alexandra is giving up her time for Scout.
“Besides, I don’t think the children have suffered one bit from her having brought them up. If anything, she’s been harder on them in some ways than a mother would have been… she’s never let them get away with anything, she’s never indulged them the way most colored nurses do. She tried to bring them up according to her lights, and Cal’s lights are pretty good—and another thing, the children love her.” Page 183.
ReplyDeleteIn this scene Atticus and Aunt Alexandra are arguing about Calpurnia. Aunt Alexandra thinks that Calpurnia has been there long enough and that they should let her go. But Atticus says that Calpurnia doesn’t do anything else but good things for the kids and that, that is why Calpurnia has to stay.
I agree with atticus in this one because if Calpurnia is not doing anything wrong and is only doing good things for them their is no need to ask her to leave.I never had a babysitter or a nanny or made but if i had one that did everything i said and did nothing wrong why wouldnt i want to keep her. This probably bothered Jem and Scout the most because they do not have a mother so hey need a mother type figure like that.
This scene has to do with the importance of family because Calpurnia is like a mother to Scout and Jem and if Atticus asked her to leave that would have affected them badly. Atticus Understands this because he know that she has been their for his kids over the years when needed her and she has done nothing wrong for him to think otherwise.
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ReplyDelete“Your aunt has has asked me to try and impress upon you and Jean Louise that you are not from run-of-the-mill people, that you are the product of several generations’ gentle breeding-” page 177
In this scene Atticus is telling scout and Jem that they are the product of several generations of gentle breeding and that they have to act like the lady and gentleman that they are. I think that Atticus said that because he doesn't want Jem and Scout to behave disrespectful or uneducated and cause people to think that if Scout and Jem are bad then probably so is the entire family.
This scene relates to families that are obsessed with perfection and want their kids to be and behave perfect like for example their kids should have great grades and look presentable at all times and many other expectations. This scene is relatable to some families.
Lulu stopped, but she said, “You ain’t got no business bringin’ white chillum here--they got their church, we got our’n. It is our church, ain’t it, Miss Call?””
ReplyDeleteIn this scene, Lulu starts an argument with Calpurnia about how she is not allowed to bring white people as her company to a black church. Calpurnia says that because they all believe in the same God, they should be able to warship in the same church.
This scene connects the theme of damage done by racism. Lulu is upset because of all the racism she faces. Back during the Great Depression, there was a lot of segregation and discrimination towards black people. Black people would turn to places like their church to belong and when Scout and Jem show up in her church, she feels that they have to leave because this is her safe place.
Discrimination still plays a very large role in our society today. People are constantly discriminated against because of his or her race. I disagree with Lulu and the fact that she doesn't want white people in her church because she is doing to them what she doesn't want to happen to her. She is blaming all the racism she has dealt with onto two young kids which isn't right.
"Well, your father and I decided it was time I came to stay with you for a while." pge 169
ReplyDeleteI this scene of chapter 13, Jem and Scout are greeted at the front door by their Aunt Alexandra. Jem and Scout say that she is staying with them for three days to 30 years (as Scout's estimation), and they especially don't like this idea. Aunt Alexandra told Jem and Scout how she wanted to take care of them. She also wanted to help Scout find something to do in Maycomb because Scout isn't getting along with Jem. This is because Jem is going through rough times hitting puberty and becoming a "mister," as Calpurnia calls him in the beginning of chapter 12.
I think the theme of this chapter is the importance of home and family. This is because Aunt Alexandra goes to Maycomb just to take care if her niece and nephew that don't even like her at all. Also, Aunt Alexandra is attempting to raise Scout's ability to entertain herself or with others without Jem.
If I were in Jem's shoes at this point in the novel, I would at least try to support and be respectful to my little sister as best as possible. On the other hand, Jem is being rude and evasive to Scout and not even trying to make eye contact with her.